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welcome back to another episode of

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liminal frames I am your host Nathan

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and I'm joined by my friend and co-host

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Aaron exo-academian now you're listening

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to episode 20 of the show and we are in

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uh to the month of December of 2022.

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it's been quite a year Darren uh there's

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a lot that has gone on and I don't know

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about you but I feel that this year has

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had uh some pretty highs and some pretty

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big lows as well with regard to this

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topic at least from sort of the public

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conversation

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um and pretty UFO Twitter in particular

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certainly goes through this kind of

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pattern of uh intense engagement and

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excitement and then almost this sort of

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period of grief because we're just not

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getting the progress that we want to see

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but nevertheless progress is being made

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and we know very recently that the house

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passed a bill uh with some pretty strong

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language in it uh moving this ball

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further down uh the the field and I'm

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very excited about what might come from

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that but even with that said we're still

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waiting on this uapf

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uaptf report that we've I guess now over

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a month late on and then the Senate

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still has to approve the bill and of

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course has to be signed by the president

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so a lot of work left to be done and I'm

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not sure if it's going to happen by the

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end of the year I think that would be

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pretty cool but uh perhaps not perhaps

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we'll have to wait until 2023 to see

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some of this more public process

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continue to move forward but uh what

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comes to mind for you in terms of like

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where we are looking back and uh you

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know what we've been through the last

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Almost 12 months now

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yeah first it's uh it's worth uh

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remarking and and celebrating that we're

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on episode two zero twenty episodes of

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liminal frames and almost a almost a

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year right the the anniversary is

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sometime in January I think right that's

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um yeah and in terms of the the public

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conversation it's funny because I

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remember even talking to some some close

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friends of mine

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who you know have some high level access

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who really felt like in the summer that

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this was going to break any time like

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there really was a sense that uh you

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know who knows what books are coming out

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in the fall but it might be a moot point

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at that point because this might all

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sort of like have hit the fan so to

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um but that didn't happen right um I

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this has been an interesting exercise in

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tempering expectations and shaping

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expectations and before we went on

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tonight you and I were talking about how

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on the one hand

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it's still historic what's happened the

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last few years you know compared to what

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people have had to endure who have been

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at this for decades right unlike us

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um you know I for sure this is uh

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unprecedented unprecedented at times you

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know like uh ever since the New York

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Times articles and and that kind of

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um you know just the nature of the

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language of this legislation is is you

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know the writings on the wall and I

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think we'll get into some of that

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want to talk about

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tonight is the the difference between

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the conversation that experiencers are

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having around these topics rather than

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what the or as opposed to what's

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happening in the public conversation or

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for the nuts and bolts crowd the sort of

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traditional ufologists

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how you look back at what's happened and

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what you're expecting and your

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expectations and all of that really is

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shaped by which of those two

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conversations you're in I think in many

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ways and I think you know another thing

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we want to get into is just how what

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it's been like for us sort of seeing

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those two different conversations and

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sometimes it's almost like you know

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ships passing in the night uh in terms

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one doesn't really understand what's

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going on in the other one and that'll be

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some interesting dialogue for us to get

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into tonight

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definitely yeah it almost even seems

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like uh some are on the ship and some

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are on an airplane they're just not even

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in the same right mode of transportation

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here and and I'm glad you point that out

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that um you know we've both been

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involved with different groups and who

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are looking at this from different

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perspectives I think that that it's

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important for folks to kind of pay

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attention to that to some degree you

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know who who are the who are the voices

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that you surround yourself with when it

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comes to this topic and who do you wait

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uh more seriously than others and I

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think when it comes to the experience or

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conversation anyway if you're not an

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experiencer so I can speak from my own

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experience here because I'm not uh you

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know the challenge is how how do you

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weight all of that experience that

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you're getting from all of these

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different people and and it seems on the

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face of it anyway pretty disparate

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there's a lot of different things

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happening different entities different

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some positive some negative it can be a

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whole lot to kind of Juggle and it's not

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it doesn't it's not clean by any means

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and and I Think We crave this sort of

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clarity this night nice neat package

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with a bow on the top and I can you know

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look at that and here here's some data

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that's clean and then there it is we

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just don't seem to have that and on the

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other hand we have uh some government

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movement here we've got some legislation

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I can point to with some actual language

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we've got some insiders who have worked

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in the government some within secret

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programs who have spoken about what they

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can share and that has this at least for

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some a greater degree of uh

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um value and uh and you can get more

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Credence to that but you know if you're

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on the experiencer side interestingly

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enough when you hear those people talk

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the Insiders you're going I don't

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believe anything I don't believe

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anything that those people are saying I

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have my own truth and and the other side

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is the same way when they when they hear

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the experiencers talk they're like I

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don't know about that you know I only

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want to know what we're studying in some

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sort of secret uh Private Industry lab

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or at some you know Department of energy

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uh complex that is you know in in the

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black budget somewhere so it's it's just

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very interesting the two conversations

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that are being had and I think for those

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that are trying to figure all this out

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you know how do you approach that how do

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you kind of balance these things and and

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come to some sort of place where you

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feel like you're getting some

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information and making some progress

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yeah it's uh It's Tricky Tricky stuff

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and um I know that we'll we'll get into

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it and we'll get into some of the Nuance

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um I think there's numerous things to

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um one of the things I was saying to you

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before we went on the air too was just

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it's not just you know about

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which side you land on but there's also

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like which which Prejudice prejudices do

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you already have so

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um when there isn't a lot of you know

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data that is considered by everyone to

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be legitimate and and you know well

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attested you know across the board like

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say something like gravity or something

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um then although that that that also is

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has nuances but um when that's not the

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case it allows people to sort of

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exercise their biases without

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being called on it in some ways right so

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the air that I've been surprised how

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even some of the people working on

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government disclosure on that push to me

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seemed like they are

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excluding some kinds of information

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some elements because it just doesn't

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fit with their view of reality whereas I

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see it like our view of reality should

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be dictated by the data not the other

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way around and it it for me anyway you

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know it tempers my hopes for what's

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going to come out of this because as

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Omega point you know made this excellent

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observation that I think we touched on

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last time too what you focus on will

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inevitably determine what you miss right

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so if you if you assume something can't

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be the case and so you look everywhere

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else sure enough you probably won't find

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it it doesn't mean it doesn't exist it

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just it just means that you you from the

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get-go

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you know set up this less than objective

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study that found exactly what it was

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um and that kind of bias you know that

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that kind of precognitive bias that kind

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you know issue where you find exactly

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what you're looking for is is well known

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in science and in other sciences that

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are considered like the hard Sciences

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you know where there's a lot of rigid

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protocols and whatnot and peer review

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there are procedures in place to make

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sure that doesn't happen right but as I

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pointed out before in this topic it's

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it's sort of the Wild West right it's

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whatever you want to believe and

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whatever data you know Smiles at you

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based on your particular view you lean

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on that and ignore the rest and if we're

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really trying to get to the bottom of

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that uh what this is then that's just

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not the way to go forward

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we in some ways need some breakthrough

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knowledge and I think that looking back

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in in our history when we've had moments

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of you know technological breakthrough

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or uh explorative breakthroughs like

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think about uh when the West realized

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that there were people living on you

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know across the ocean in North America I

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mean that was a game changer for the

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world and so some ways not not great

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but you know what you have there are

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people who took it upon themselves to

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not necessarily live within the realm of

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what was determined to be possible at

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the time and they they kind of looked at

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that and said you know what I I'm not

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going to do that I'm going to go I'm

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going to go my own way here and yes

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maybe it is crazy you know maybe I am

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getting laughed at for hopping on this

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boat and going west but I believe

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there's something there and and lo and

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behold there was and that new knowledge

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really became a paradigm shifting moment

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for the entire world and so that's

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essentially what I think we're looking

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for here but the irony of all that is

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that for many people for most I would

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say you know what we're looking for that

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kind of stamp of legitimacy which can

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really only come from these existing

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institutions who prop up the way things

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already are and have already defined the

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realm of what what is possible and so

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what we we really kind of need is almost

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this uh uh uh in a sort of jolt that

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comes from outside of those institutions

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that has uh this tremendous efficacial

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power you know it's it's extremely

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meaningful that it it sorts itself into

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those paradigms and and they cannot help

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but take notice of it because it has so

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much greater explanatory power and

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efficacy so I think that that's kind of

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what we're looking for and who are who

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are those people going to be who will

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kind of push us into that direction I

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think there are some folks out there as

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you know but uh certainly not the

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loudest voices in the room right now

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right and I was thinking about your

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analogy there with you know the finding

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of the new world and it's of course the

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the lesson from history is that they

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ended up calling those people Indians

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right and they called them Indians

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because initially they thought well we

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must have landed on at any in India

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right and uh wow so these are Indians

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and so that that's a really great case

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in point about sometimes we can come

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across new information new data but

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again if we have a bias about what that

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data must mean right then we can

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sometimes put it in the wrong category

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and I think that's been part of the

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issue with the whole extraterrestrial

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versus interdimensional versus Ultra

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terrestrial question right is um or you

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know extra Tempest real is is when we

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find a group of others what about our

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pre-existing biases uh makes us conclude

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prematurely sometimes that it's one

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group or over another so you know for

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instance one of the kind of hilarious

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things that's happening right now is how

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NASA keeps coming out and saying just be

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clear there's no evidence that this is

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extraterrestrial right right it's like

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well well what exactly does that

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evidence look like right it's the first

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question and number two who said we've

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necessarily concluded it's

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extraterrestrial so even in our present

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day and age the Modern Age what we've

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learned you would hope so many lessons

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from history about prematurely making

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drawing conclusions we're still doing

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that today like we're saying like either

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it's like Earthbound human technology or

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you know it's the Martians one of those

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two and and it's kind of hilarious that

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in 2022 those are kind of the options

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put on the table and even more kind of I

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think frustrating to those of us who

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really intimately involved with this

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topic is that to the average you know

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Joe Blow in the public they don't pick

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up on any of that they just they hear

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what NASA says like oh I guess it's not

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it's not ET voting home after all and

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they're you know oblivious to the entire

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rest of the conversation

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yeah for sure I mean what uh it begs the

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question what is kind of our what is the

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operational tolerance of civilization

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for I think what I would consider to be

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ambiguous

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you know because really there's this

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at a certain level like the level in

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which we're operating on the globe are

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interconnected economies and markets and

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you know the way that we interact right

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now we we really can't tolerate a uh a

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version of reality that is

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too many degrees departed from what kind

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of makes things run you know what what

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the status quo essentially demands and

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so you know I think it's for me it's

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looking at that sort of system and going

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well how do we get from that system

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at least a couple of degrees further

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than that to where we can incorporate a

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different way of looking at reality than

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what we currently use and and I struggle

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with this a lot as well because I think

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at a very personal level not just from

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my own person but for the others that I

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interact with and through social media

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and in person in real life

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in meat space I guess I think most

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people have this sense in which their

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current system isn't working as intended

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something is kind of broken about the

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way the world is operating and we we see

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this almost every week now examples of

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this uh our corporate institutions just

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continually fail and have been failing

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us for decades and how they kind of put

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profits over people our government

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institutions continue to do the very

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same thing with special interests and of

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course money in politics which creates

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so many problems so the average

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individual you know bumps up against

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this all the time yet we're kind of

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willing to go along with this one

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function because we have nothing better

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to take its place it's almost like we

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yearn for something else and we we

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intuitively know that there's a better

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way but we haven't been shown how that

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could work and the vested interests that

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are in power now have just too much sway

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over the way things are

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yeah it's a bit of a predicament for

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sure I was talking to a friend about

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that on the weekend just you know

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thinking back to the last sort of

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financial crisis and and how this you

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know phrase came into the vernacular

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which is too big to fail right the this

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notion that some of these corporations

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these multinational corporations

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um are so Central to the way the whole

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system runs that they can take massive

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gambles

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and you know benefit their shareholders

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when things are going well and when

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things aren't going well they know that

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things will only sink so far before

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their linchpin

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um place in our society ensures that

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they'll get bailouts whatever to get

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things back up and running again so it's

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kind of a rigged system in that way and

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I agree with you that people sense that

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it's broken

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but I think and I've mentioned this

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before you know people tend to be

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motivated in principle by two different

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kinds of calculus one is what you can

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gain and one is what you might lose and

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a lot of people the way that our society

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has been set up a very um risk-averse

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kind of situation in some ways in terms

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of the totality that

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um people think more about what might go

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wrong if we really try to change the

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system then what in the long term might

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we get right you know like what what

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potential good could come from really

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really rethinking and and you know

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pouring resources and Minds into really

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coming up with a different model

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um you know you think back to the the

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push during the Manhattan Project you

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know you just get all the money you need

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and the best Minds in the world you

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build a new town in the middle of the

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desert and you just come hell or high

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water we're going to figure out how to

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do this right what if we did that on

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this kind of scale you know and what if

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the the the people that are the the

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capitalists that are the you know the

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Goldman Sachs of the world and that kind

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of thing said hey we've made enough

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money how can we really you know invest

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this in a new system like and and we'll

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front it so that you know it can gain

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Equity over time kind of thing

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so it gets its legs under it kind of

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thing that kind of thing you know is

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what I'm talking about

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um and because like you say the the

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strange situation we find ourselves in

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now is that people on the one hand smile

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and say hi to their neighbors at Walmart

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or whatever but at the same time there's

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this kind of sneaking feeling that

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things are kind of crumbling right like

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uh

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I mean I know I bring this one up a lot

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and I'm not saying that it's as simple

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as it's all man-made I think there's

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actually

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numerous factors that are impacting

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climate change and what's going on there

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and I think some of my views would be

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offensive to you know people on both

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sides of that argument because I think

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there's also a kind of a Consciousness

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aspect to it that it's not just as pure

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physicalist kind of model of like you

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put so much CO2 in the atmosphere this

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is going to be the result I think that's

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a huge part of it but I think it's more

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than that and even even when you look at

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that that's still a Consciousness issue

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fundamentally because right we're

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willing to sacrifice the long term or

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the good of the planet or the good of

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our children's and grandchildren's

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future for you know profits now kind of

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thing we're not causing too much stress

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in the in the economy now

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all it is to say it is a bit of a

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strange situation because you know on

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the one hand I was just thinking about

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this just today I was out shopping and

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um

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just seeing some genuine like goodness

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in people like see people coming across

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people they know and hey how you doing

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and really the sense of like Brotherhood

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Sisterhood kind of thing but at the same

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time you know

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we're we're kind of all part of a system

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that seems unsustainable and and people

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kind of know it but they they number one

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they feel

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kind of powerless to change it and

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number two

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um

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there's this real lack of trust in

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government or in our you know the powers

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that be kind of thing and I know that

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you and I talked about maybe getting

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into this tonight because it's not just

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sort of the the extreme right-wing

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anti-government crowd that that is

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thinking that now but even those of us

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who come from a more Progressive

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background but have seen how the UFO

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phenomenon has been suppressed by the

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powers that be I've talked to people on

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the inside who are very aware that even

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the way that you know Google tends to

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handle with its algorithm things around

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this topic and topics like this

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there's a distinct difference from other

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kinds of topics so there's you know it's

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not an equal playing field and and when

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that is the

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the setting of the table of the Public's

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you know public sphere uh and the Public

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Square then that is going to determine

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what what the possibilities are so it's

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it's a it's a conundrum for sure

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and and I think we find too that those

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efforts often end up backfiring so a lot

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of uh work being put to uh turn down the

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volume of some of these other uh

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conversations ends up only amplifying

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them because they become it's just like

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when you tell your teenage kid you know

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now you can't do this you know you're

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never gonna be able to do this and it's

550
00:20:36,289 --> 00:20:34,080
like the one thing they they can't wait

551
00:20:38,450 --> 00:20:36,299
to do to stick it to you you know so

552
00:20:40,970 --> 00:20:38,460
it's uh it's just like that and I think

553
00:20:43,730 --> 00:20:40,980
you know we're seeing that kind of

554
00:20:46,909 --> 00:20:43,740
conflict of interest really uh bubble to

555
00:20:49,090 --> 00:20:46,919
the surface and in many areas now but it

556
00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:49,100
does speak to me to the responsibility

557
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:51,660
that and we've touched on this before on

558
00:20:56,630 --> 00:20:54,000
the show but there is a responsibility

559
00:20:58,909 --> 00:20:56,640
that people who are in in charge of

560
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:58,919
these institutions uh particularly the

561
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:00,960
government institutions the military

562
00:21:05,330 --> 00:21:02,820
institutions the have a very strong

563
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:05,340
sense of responsibility for the people

564
00:21:10,669 --> 00:21:07,919
that they are that are under their care

565
00:21:12,770 --> 00:21:10,679
and and we honestly we want them to have

566
00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:12,780
that strong sense of responsibility but

567
00:21:18,409 --> 00:21:14,760
keep in mind that the inertia associated

568
00:21:20,270 --> 00:21:18,419
with that is very much to maintain the

569
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:20,280
current system maintain the current

570
00:21:25,549 --> 00:21:23,039
order and the current order is flawed as

571
00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:25,559
it is and even those on the inside who

572
00:21:28,490 --> 00:21:26,820
are who who have taken that

573
00:21:30,830 --> 00:21:28,500
responsibility understand that it has

574
00:21:33,169 --> 00:21:30,840
its problems but it's that devil you

575
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,179
know they would rather continue to move

576
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,240
that system very slowly but in very

577
00:21:41,570 --> 00:21:38,880
familiar ways maintain it in that way

578
00:21:43,310 --> 00:21:41,580
then make dramatic changes then do

579
00:21:47,210 --> 00:21:43,320
anything that they can't really game out

580
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,220
and so that I think really does move us

581
00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:49,440
into you know what we want to one of the

582
00:21:52,730 --> 00:21:50,340
things we want to talk about tonight

583
00:21:54,409 --> 00:21:52,740
which is you know what disclosure means

584
00:21:56,750 --> 00:21:54,419
for these different groups you know so

585
00:21:59,450 --> 00:21:56,760
you have a kind of disclosure from that

586
00:22:01,310 --> 00:21:59,460
mindset which says you know we can do a

587
00:22:02,810 --> 00:22:01,320
little bit perhaps but we don't want to

588
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,820
upset the order order because the order

589
00:22:05,330 --> 00:22:04,080
is very important we have a lot of

590
00:22:07,610 --> 00:22:05,340
people that we have to kind of think

591
00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:07,620
about in this situation so we don't want

592
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:09,539
to do something too crazy because then

593
00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:10,740
we just don't know how they're going to

594
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,080
react but then you have the other side

595
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,120
of this issue where there are people who

596
00:22:19,370 --> 00:22:17,520
are living this you know they've lived

597
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:19,380
it and are living it day in and day out

598
00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:20,880
they've had very intense personal

599
00:22:26,750 --> 00:22:23,720
experiences the sense of imminence

600
00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,760
immediacy is very strongly felt from

601
00:22:30,950 --> 00:22:28,799
many of the experience or community and

602
00:22:33,230 --> 00:22:30,960
so you have that side of the coin and

603
00:22:35,390 --> 00:22:33,240
it's like well what do we do here you

604
00:22:37,549 --> 00:22:35,400
know how do we kind of navigate the this

605
00:22:41,149 --> 00:22:37,559
challenge to where we can have some

606
00:22:43,850 --> 00:22:41,159
meaningful change but not it not be so

607
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:43,860
glacially slow that we can't even

608
00:22:49,789 --> 00:22:46,320
perceive it

609
00:22:51,890 --> 00:22:49,799
yeah tricky questions I mean

610
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,900
I was just thinking as you were sort of

611
00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:53,520
prepping this part of the conversation

612
00:22:57,649 --> 00:22:55,860
that

613
00:22:58,669 --> 00:22:57,659
what's ironic to me is when I look at

614
00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:58,679
even the people who are kind of

615
00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:01,020
spearheading the push for government

616
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,460
disclosure

617
00:23:07,310 --> 00:23:04,799
I don't sense that even they've really

618
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:07,320
thought through

619
00:23:10,909 --> 00:23:09,900
the implications here the consequences I

620
00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:10,919
don't know that they've thought through

621
00:23:14,810 --> 00:23:13,320
what is the I know I know they've

622
00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,820
considered it I know they've considered

623
00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:16,799
that there's some big big issues on the

624
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:19,260
table here in terms of disruption

625
00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:20,880
but I don't know that they've really

626
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:22,740
gamed it out nor do I know you really

627
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:24,600
can in some ways right there's just so

628
00:23:28,190 --> 00:23:27,360
many moving Parts it's very difficult to

629
00:23:30,169 --> 00:23:28,200
know

630
00:23:32,570 --> 00:23:30,179
how that's all going to land right and

631
00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:32,580
when you when you

632
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,820
when you finally swing that bat you know

633
00:23:39,169 --> 00:23:37,679
how many things will change

634
00:23:41,210 --> 00:23:39,179
um

635
00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:41,220
so so I think that one things we've

636
00:23:45,549 --> 00:23:43,320
talked about before on this show is is

637
00:23:47,690 --> 00:23:45,559
again about Nuance about balance

638
00:23:49,370 --> 00:23:47,700
recognizing that sometimes issues are

639
00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:49,380
not black and white but Shades of Gray

640
00:23:54,049 --> 00:23:52,020
and

641
00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:54,059
you've mentioned to me for instance you

642
00:23:58,430 --> 00:23:55,799
know like your kids are younger than

643
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:58,440
mine right so when you've got you know

644
00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:01,380
younger kids in school and stuff you

645
00:24:06,529 --> 00:24:03,720
um you know you think about how these

646
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:06,539
issues impact them right and that might

647
00:24:09,470 --> 00:24:08,580
be different than someone who's like you

648
00:24:11,090 --> 00:24:09,480
know

649
00:24:12,049 --> 00:24:11,100
70 years old and single or something

650
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:12,059
right

651
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:14,580
um or or 20 and hasn't got married yet

652
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:17,039
you know so in other words like again

653
00:24:21,950 --> 00:24:19,860
our perspective changes are

654
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,960
um or our life experience and our life

655
00:24:26,090 --> 00:24:23,760
season changes how we look at these

656
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:26,100
issues and like you said these people

657
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,220
who are in power for good or for bad

658
00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:31,679
have to make decisions for good or for

659
00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:35,640
bad for for the for the entire populace

660
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:37,980
um and you know I use this expression um

661
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:40,020
I think in our last show when I said you

662
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:41,520
know Kick the Can down the road I think

663
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,140
that's where a lot of people land it's

664
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,140
just they really don't know which way

665
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:48,000
they should go and so they go the safe

666
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:49,860
bet is just to like not do anything for

667
00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:51,659
now you know and and

668
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:53,220
um if no one's like beating down our

669
00:24:57,710 --> 00:24:55,799
door saying there's no journalist saying

670
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,720
listen we know there's a there what's

671
00:25:01,789 --> 00:24:59,520
really going on if no one's doing that

672
00:25:04,370 --> 00:25:01,799
job which is you know supposed to be a

673
00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:04,380
functioning part of our democracy is a

674
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,360
strong press who can you know press

675
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:08,520
government when it's not being truthful

676
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,520
but when you know there's clear evidence

677
00:25:14,810 --> 00:25:13,440
as people often are quick to point out

678
00:25:17,330 --> 00:25:14,820
to me

679
00:25:19,250 --> 00:25:17,340
that many people see the press as being

680
00:25:20,990 --> 00:25:19,260
you know in the pocket of some of these

681
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:21,000
government groups

682
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,679
um and I've seen clear evidence even

683
00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:24,480
with like the New York Times for

684
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:26,820
instance you know like this Bastion of

685
00:25:32,269 --> 00:25:29,640
you know journalism in the world there

686
00:25:32,990 --> 00:25:32,279
certainly seems to be a quick

687
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:33,000
um

688
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,059
tidy way of letting

689
00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:38,159
the military establishment decide how

690
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,380
things are going to be pitched

691
00:25:44,690 --> 00:25:42,720
um which which is concerning you know

692
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,700
like I think I understand that

693
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,559
if you're the person who has sources on

694
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:47,760
the other on the other end of the phone

695
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:49,740
or in the parking garage or whatever you

696
00:25:52,610 --> 00:25:51,299
know you don't want to offend them

697
00:25:54,350 --> 00:25:52,620
because they're your sources right

698
00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:54,360
that's how you get those those breaking

699
00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:56,220
stories but of course it's that fine

700
00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:57,960
balance because if you let them dictate

701
00:26:02,330 --> 00:26:00,059
the terms by which you will share

702
00:26:03,710 --> 00:26:02,340
information with the public then in some

703
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:03,720
ways they're just you've just become

704
00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:04,679
another arm of the military

705
00:26:09,409 --> 00:26:06,900
establishment so

706
00:26:13,370 --> 00:26:11,570
and you know I know that you and I have

707
00:26:15,950 --> 00:26:13,380
both wrestled with this since we really

708
00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:15,960
got into this topic which is you know

709
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,220
again

710
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:19,679
things that would have seemed to us like

711
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:21,480
conspiracy theory kind of stuff

712
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,720
initially now we're like wow what you

713
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:26,880
get down this Rabbit Hole many of the

714
00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:28,440
things you just took for granted you

715
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:29,820
almost look back and you feel a little

716
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:32,760
bit ignorant and naive even about it

717
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:36,779
right and um I remember Jon Stewart you

718
00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:39,200
know back in the 2010s I think it was

719
00:26:44,210 --> 00:26:41,700
one time was talking to someone who was

720
00:26:46,490 --> 00:26:44,220
sort of an anti-government person and

721
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:46,500
he's like listen these people are just

722
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:48,000
our neighbors right like we say the

723
00:26:51,470 --> 00:26:49,679
government it's just like Joe my next

724
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:51,480
door neighbor right and to some extent

725
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:53,640
that's true and that's kind of the way I

726
00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:55,260
looked at it back then was that this

727
00:26:59,330 --> 00:26:57,000
sort of big bad like government thing

728
00:27:02,350 --> 00:26:59,340
was a bit silly but on the other hand

729
00:27:04,909 --> 00:27:02,360
there are some really really entrenched

730
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:04,919
interests that

731
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:08,460
because it's run by finance and whatnot

732
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:11,340
and there's only so many groups and

733
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:13,320
families in the world with that level of

734
00:27:18,049 --> 00:27:15,120
Finance

735
00:27:20,990 --> 00:27:18,059
and when those huge groups or I mean

736
00:27:23,330 --> 00:27:21,000
huge in terms of hugely funded right

737
00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:23,340
um are able to control

738
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:25,860
journalism and the Press because they

739
00:27:30,409 --> 00:27:28,380
can buy up huge portions of that

740
00:27:33,769 --> 00:27:30,419
and in today's age where we don't even

741
00:27:35,930 --> 00:27:33,779
have the you know the the the sense that

742
00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:35,940
the Press really is supposed to be the

743
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:38,039
spokesperson for the people now it's

744
00:27:41,390 --> 00:27:39,779
more like you know how can you make

745
00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:41,400
money and how you can get the most hits

746
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,140
and all this kind of thing in the

747
00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:45,360
internet culture really has changed so

748
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:46,860
much right and and so you've got someone

749
00:27:51,409 --> 00:27:48,659
like Elon Musk coming forward and saying

750
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:51,419
that Twitter is going to like kill

751
00:27:55,010 --> 00:27:53,279
journalism right there'd be no need

752
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:55,020
because it'll all be on Twitter All The

753
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:56,159
Cutting Edge stuff will be on Twitter

754
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:58,200
because it'll be your speech Bastion

755
00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:59,640
kind of thing

756
00:28:04,190 --> 00:28:01,020
um

757
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:04,200
Tricky Tricky Tricky stuff and uh

758
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:05,580
but you know we probably shouldn't spend

759
00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:06,480
too much time there because I know you

760
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,100
want to get into this thing about the

761
00:28:11,570 --> 00:28:10,320
different conversations and

762
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:11,580
um

763
00:28:16,010 --> 00:28:14,400
yeah I would say that

764
00:28:17,090 --> 00:28:16,020
you know I know a lot of experiencers

765
00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:17,100
and I think because the point of

766
00:28:20,690 --> 00:28:18,539
convergence a lot of people reach out to

767
00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:20,700
me and I know people personally and I

768
00:28:23,870 --> 00:28:22,220
really feel like

769
00:28:25,610 --> 00:28:23,880
synchronistically I've been connected

770
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:25,620
with people around the world that are

771
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:28,020
experiencers and we've talked about some

772
00:28:32,029 --> 00:28:29,159
of that before

773
00:28:33,769 --> 00:28:32,039
and it's it's it really is humorous when

774
00:28:36,110 --> 00:28:33,779
I think about the kind of conversations

775
00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:36,120
I have with those people versus sort of

776
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:38,940
the nuts and bolts conversations because

777
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:42,120
when you have like numbers of people you

778
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:43,799
know reaching out to me and us talking

779
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:46,799
about like pre-incarnative experiences

780
00:28:51,289 --> 00:28:48,840
and memories and

781
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,299
beings that we knew before this lifetime

782
00:28:55,010 --> 00:28:53,580
and things like that and coming into

783
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:55,020
contact with

784
00:28:59,090 --> 00:28:57,000
aspects of ourselves that are like you

785
00:29:00,909 --> 00:28:59,100
know simultaneously existing in other

786
00:29:03,289 --> 00:29:00,919
dimensions

787
00:29:06,049 --> 00:29:03,299
I mean you can kind of hear it right

788
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,059
that's so different than right hey man

789
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:07,679
there's some cool Tech up in the sky

790
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:09,000
that I think you know could be from

791
00:29:13,549 --> 00:29:11,640
Alpha Centauri you know like it's I'm

792
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:13,559
not trying to mock it but it's like I'm

793
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:14,940
just trying to point out how different

794
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:16,740
the conversations are it's like night

795
00:29:21,409 --> 00:29:18,899
and day uh I think some people think

796
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:21,419
sometimes maybe who are not really that

797
00:29:26,029 --> 00:29:24,600
into it uh as deep as as I am maybe they

798
00:29:27,710 --> 00:29:26,039
think it's sort of the same conversation

799
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:27,720
but I'm saying to you it's really a

800
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:29,820
different conversation and and when you

801
00:29:32,990 --> 00:29:31,320
think about like you know our friend Jay

802
00:29:34,970 --> 00:29:33,000
runs you know the experiencer group and

803
00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:34,980
things like that the conversations that

804
00:29:38,090 --> 00:29:36,779
are had on those kind of forums are

805
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,100
totally different you know it's like

806
00:29:42,769 --> 00:29:41,039
people are getting on to how do I make

807
00:29:45,409 --> 00:29:42,779
sense of my life how do I make sense of

808
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:45,419
my life purpose how do I carry on a

809
00:29:48,529 --> 00:29:46,799
quote unquote normal life when I'm

810
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,539
having these ongoing encounters with

811
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:50,640
non-human intelligence like just

812
00:29:54,049 --> 00:29:52,260
practical how do I get up on Monday

813
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:54,059
morning and go to work you know when I

814
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,520
lost sleep because I was on board a

815
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,840
craft last night you know or something

816
00:30:01,850 --> 00:30:00,480
like that I mean uh and and I got mud on

817
00:30:03,289 --> 00:30:01,860
the carpet because you know I came back

818
00:30:04,610 --> 00:30:03,299
in through the garden kind of thing with

819
00:30:05,930 --> 00:30:04,620
no clothes on and my clothes were on

820
00:30:07,370 --> 00:30:05,940
backwards I mean things like that right

821
00:30:09,409 --> 00:30:07,380
it's just so

822
00:30:11,690 --> 00:30:09,419
it's so completely different than the

823
00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:11,700
public conversation

824
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:13,620
yeah I

825
00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:16,320
I think about this too in the sense that

826
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:20,340
how do what what kind of disclosure is

827
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:22,559
the right kind and I I know that's a

828
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:25,080
very kind of simplifying that quite a

829
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,559
bit so I recognize that but but and it

830
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:30,960
doesn't have to be binary in any way as

831
00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:33,419
well but there's the public disclosure

832
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,580
there's the private disclosure there's

833
00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:37,440
the there's the journey we take together

834
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:39,720
as a people and there's the journey that

835
00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:42,779
we take as individuals and that journey

836
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,480
is in some way similar but in in many

837
00:30:50,090 --> 00:30:48,000
ways it is not and you know I think it

838
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:50,100
begs the question just for conscious

839
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:52,860
agents just generally right so you know

840
00:30:58,970 --> 00:30:56,340
for for intelligences that are on this

841
00:31:01,850 --> 00:30:58,980
journey you know what kind of knowledge

842
00:31:04,370 --> 00:31:01,860
is pertinent and important and valuable

843
00:31:06,769 --> 00:31:04,380
for that journey to reach its

844
00:31:09,710 --> 00:31:06,779
destination or or to enhance its journey

845
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:09,720
and what kind of knowledge in an

846
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:12,960
experience is valuable at a collective

847
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,820
level and I think you know we talked

848
00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:16,799
about this to some degree before but the

849
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,899
there's there's individual intelligence

850
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:21,360
and his intelligence is kind of connect

851
00:31:27,169 --> 00:31:23,700
with one another uh and kind of sync up

852
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,179
in a way they also form another layer or

853
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:29,760
level of intelligence so so it's not

854
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,860
it's certainly not either or I don't

855
00:31:36,470 --> 00:31:33,600
look at it that way I do think that it

856
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,480
has to be you know both but I think that

857
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:38,880
plays into where we are in the in this

858
00:31:45,230 --> 00:31:41,640
moment as well it's you know what

859
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,240
personal disclosure is required uh for

860
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,039
us to to feel like we're moving

861
00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:49,679
ourselves forward what public level

862
00:31:56,090 --> 00:31:52,860
disclosure is required to move our world

863
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:56,100
forward where do those two intersect and

864
00:31:59,389 --> 00:31:57,600
does one have to come before the other

865
00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,399
you know what what is the relationship

866
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,919
there and how do you think about that

867
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:03,840
well I think one thing I've definitely

868
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:05,100
noticed

869
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:07,919
um and

870
00:32:12,409 --> 00:32:10,200
I've stepped back and said this is

871
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:12,419
interesting so this is this is rolling

872
00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:13,980
out differently than I think a lot of

873
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:15,539
the traditional ufologists thought it

874
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:18,480
would so I think the notion was back in

875
00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:22,140
the you know 60s 70s 80s even 90s

876
00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:25,200
this idea that you know eventually

877
00:32:28,970 --> 00:32:27,059
there would be enough of a push that

878
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,980
these different government institutions

879
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,480
and these different private corporations

880
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,880
that were given these contracts on

881
00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:34,559
reverse engineering projects and things

882
00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:36,419
like that would eventually have to come

883
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:39,020
clean because you know the the the

884
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:41,340
ravenous journalistic culture would

885
00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:42,899
eventually get a whiff of it and

886
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,460
wouldn't let up until it kind of came

887
00:32:49,789 --> 00:32:46,799
clean that hasn't happened

888
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:49,799
what I notice is that there's this

889
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,080
Grassroots movement that you know as

890
00:32:55,970 --> 00:32:54,480
I've said before when I think what the

891
00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:55,980
number of people that are reaching out

892
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,159
to me talking about how their entire

893
00:33:03,950 --> 00:33:01,140
sense of life purpose is being directed

894
00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:03,960
by these experiences and not in a

895
00:33:06,590 --> 00:33:05,820
controlling way like they feel like they

896
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:06,600
are

897
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:08,220
this is their life purpose and it feels

898
00:33:10,970 --> 00:33:10,020
right you know it feels like core to who

899
00:33:12,649 --> 00:33:10,980
they are

900
00:33:14,269 --> 00:33:12,659
and I think what how many of those

901
00:33:16,430 --> 00:33:14,279
people reaching out to me and I'm I'm

902
00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:16,440
probably just hearing from you know a

903
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:19,260
tiny proportion of the total you know

904
00:33:24,110 --> 00:33:21,539
um so that makes me think that there's

905
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:24,120
this Grassroots push and on top of that

906
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:26,279
you know that's basically what some of

907
00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:28,200
the the experience for literature talks

908
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:30,299
about as well is that

909
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:31,919
um some of these

910
00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:33,840
and I've come across some of this as

911
00:33:38,750 --> 00:33:36,179
well in some of my own experiences in

912
00:33:40,190 --> 00:33:38,760
terms of there was a time where

913
00:33:43,310 --> 00:33:40,200
some of these others did approach

914
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,320
governments and were basically turned

915
00:33:47,090 --> 00:33:45,120
down you know like I mean this is one of

916
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:47,100
the the the most shocking

917
00:33:51,769 --> 00:33:49,440
um aspects of If This Were to ever hit

918
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:51,779
the public sphere it would be shocking

919
00:33:55,070 --> 00:33:53,700
and that is this notion that there

920
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:55,080
really have been

921
00:34:00,049 --> 00:33:58,500
non-human groups who've contacted you

922
00:34:02,029 --> 00:34:00,059
know administrations like the Eisenhower

923
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:02,039
Administration and made overtures

924
00:34:07,789 --> 00:34:05,100
towards offering free energy and

925
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:07,799
cooperation in exchange for disarmament

926
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,419
and kind of a realigning of our

927
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:11,520
priorities and things like that and

928
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,899
those those overtures were turned down

929
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,359
as I've said before which on the face of

930
00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:16,800
it is just so shocking you know like

931
00:34:20,930 --> 00:34:19,560
that alone what kind of shock waves

932
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:20,940
would that send through the culture

933
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,919
right if we if that really came out as

934
00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:24,960
something that really happened

935
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,619
um

936
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:26,879
but

937
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:28,980
the the more important point there maybe

938
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:31,440
is that the Overture was turned down

939
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:33,179
right I mean here you have this

940
00:34:39,169 --> 00:34:36,260
incredibly powerful and Powerful I mean

941
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:39,179
sophisticated you know capable

942
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:42,659
uh intelligence that was peaceful I'm

943
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:43,859
not saying all of them are peaceful but

944
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:45,240
there's some of the ones that approach

945
00:34:48,770 --> 00:34:46,980
these administrations were

946
00:34:54,310 --> 00:34:48,780
and

947
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,320
chance to turn Humanity around

948
00:34:59,570 --> 00:34:57,359
these leaders said in quotes you know

949
00:35:01,490 --> 00:34:59,580
turned down and opted for a different

950
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:01,500
approach probably for some of the same

951
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:02,760
reasons you and I already talked about

952
00:35:06,890 --> 00:35:04,740
like you know what's the safe thing how

953
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,900
can we kick this can down the road how

954
00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:08,640
can we first win the Cold War then worry

955
00:35:12,109 --> 00:35:11,160
about this things like that right

956
00:35:14,030 --> 00:35:12,119
um

957
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,040
the I mean think it's never going to be

958
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:17,040
convenient right to to rework your

959
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:19,320
entire uh human civilization on the

960
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:20,700
planet there's never gonna be a time

961
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:22,440
where you go hey this looks like

962
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:24,540
everything's lining up let's do it I

963
00:35:27,410 --> 00:35:25,500
mean it's always going to be this

964
00:35:29,089 --> 00:35:27,420
massive push but if ever there was a

965
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:29,099
time to do it it'd be when uh a

966
00:35:31,849 --> 00:35:30,420
non-human intelligence that's very

967
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:31,859
capable is here and saying they're

968
00:35:35,810 --> 00:35:33,839
willing to assist right

969
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,820
um

970
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,440
but yeah for me that's that's what I

971
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,359
think about is that I think about you

972
00:35:43,069 --> 00:35:41,280
know

973
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,079
at this point from my point of view

974
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:45,119
based on the people that I am in contact

975
00:35:49,849 --> 00:35:48,000
with I see the real change coming from

976
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,859
the Grassroots on up not the other way

977
00:35:53,810 --> 00:35:51,119
around

978
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:53,820
mm-hmm well you've talked about this

979
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:56,880
before maybe we can expound on it a

980
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,200
little bit further

981
00:36:02,569 --> 00:36:00,240
but just with the anecdote that you gave

982
00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:02,579
about the Eisenhower you know connection

983
00:36:08,089 --> 00:36:05,880
there there's also this degree to which

984
00:36:11,450 --> 00:36:08,099
the others

985
00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:11,460
you know have their own

986
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:15,000
excuse me their own Notions of what this

987
00:36:20,329 --> 00:36:17,820
process might look like you know so they

988
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:20,339
may have really good intentions and

989
00:36:25,130 --> 00:36:22,140
think that oh you know if we do this for

990
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:25,140
Humanity then it's going to be great and

991
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:27,180
it would be the right decision but then

992
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,000
after attempting that they might come

993
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:32,760
away from that and go oh yeah we really

994
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,859
judge that interaction completely wrong

995
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:36,480
and we may have actually done some

996
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:40,740
damage by making that attempt so you

997
00:36:45,290 --> 00:36:42,300
know we have as you said many times

998
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:45,300
competing groups competing interests uh

999
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:48,480
competing ideas about what our level of

1000
00:36:51,470 --> 00:36:50,579
relationship should be and when it

1001
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:51,480
should be

1002
00:36:56,569 --> 00:36:53,880
and if you look at it from that

1003
00:36:58,310 --> 00:36:56,579
perspective you use really I think see

1004
00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:58,320
all the things that we do see in the

1005
00:37:01,849 --> 00:37:00,180
literature you know so many different

1006
00:37:05,650 --> 00:37:01,859
kinds of experiences so many different

1007
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:05,660
kinds of accounts this is not a uniform

1008
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:10,560
uh you know robotic kind of other that

1009
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:13,140
has uh as necessarily some sort of

1010
00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:15,420
master plan and is putting that into

1011
00:37:18,829 --> 00:37:17,400
into action

1012
00:37:20,990 --> 00:37:18,839
um which is not to say that there might

1013
00:37:22,849 --> 00:37:21,000
be some others who who have a good sense

1014
00:37:24,650 --> 00:37:22,859
of how it should go but they may

1015
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:24,660
actually be more non-interventionists

1016
00:37:28,670 --> 00:37:27,000
than the ones who who are so I don't

1017
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:28,680
know do you want to kind of tackle that

1018
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:30,420
we haven't maybe gone into as much

1019
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:32,280
detail on that before

1020
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:34,200
yeah I think that's a great piece I

1021
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,400
think it's really important too and I

1022
00:37:38,690 --> 00:37:37,200
think you were kind of hinting at

1023
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:38,700
something that's very true and that is

1024
00:37:42,349 --> 00:37:40,440
that this is another one of those

1025
00:37:43,550 --> 00:37:42,359
assumptions that people go in with um

1026
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:43,560
that we don't necessarily have evidence

1027
00:37:46,670 --> 00:37:44,460
for

1028
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:46,680
uh either way I mean I'm going to give

1029
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,960
some evidence I think but but prior to

1030
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,520
hearing this I think people go in

1031
00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:51,839
thinking that

1032
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:53,880
well considering how capable some of

1033
00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:55,500
these others are and they're so much

1034
00:38:00,589 --> 00:37:57,900
more sophisticated surely they have

1035
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,599
thought through you know they've they've

1036
00:38:04,130 --> 00:38:02,400
run through these quantum computers and

1037
00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:04,140
know exactly like all the probability

1038
00:38:07,609 --> 00:38:06,359
streams and they've decided this is

1039
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,619
exactly how you should do it at this

1040
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:09,359
time talking to these people

1041
00:38:13,849 --> 00:38:12,359
but actually you know for instance when

1042
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,859
you look back at the raw material which

1043
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:15,359
I think is is really really great

1044
00:38:18,650 --> 00:38:16,680
material I think it's the best channeled

1045
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:18,660
material we've ever received that I

1046
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,079
think is um remarkably uh

1047
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:24,960
spot on and and very much fits and

1048
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:27,359
corroborates and sort of

1049
00:38:33,170 --> 00:38:29,579
um Builds on some of my own Revelations

1050
00:38:36,109 --> 00:38:33,180
so I I take it really seriously and

1051
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:36,119
in in those dialogues it becomes very

1052
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:38,220
clear that there were kind of sometimes

1053
00:38:43,069 --> 00:38:40,140
that the these more intelligent groups

1054
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,079
that were at a non-dual place

1055
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:45,119
we're a little bit naive in how they

1056
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:46,680
approached humankind and even they will

1057
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:48,660
like use that language and saying in

1058
00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:51,720
retrospect you know um that didn't work

1059
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,280
so well we need to rethink how we do

1060
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,440
this kind of thing because when you are

1061
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:57,359
at a place of non-duality as a

1062
00:39:00,410 --> 00:38:58,920
collective right and when you're at a

1063
00:39:02,569 --> 00:39:00,420
place where literally

1064
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:02,579
somebody can't be a smiling politician

1065
00:39:06,050 --> 00:39:04,320
who's really stuffing his pockets behind

1066
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:06,060
the scenes because everything is known

1067
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:07,680
like at their level right so once you

1068
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,560
get Beyond to the 3D level you have

1069
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,960
uh total transparency right so it's not

1070
00:39:16,250 --> 00:39:14,640
like you can have

1071
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:16,260
um a double agent it's just not possible

1072
00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:18,720
everybody knows right so the things

1073
00:39:21,470 --> 00:39:20,280
we're already seeing that some of you

1074
00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:21,480
and I talked about before we went on the

1075
00:39:25,130 --> 00:39:22,920
air in terms of remote viewing and

1076
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:25,140
different side capacities making it very

1077
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:28,079
clear that in principle anything in

1078
00:39:32,829 --> 00:39:30,240
space and time is observable anything

1079
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:32,839
and even it's even

1080
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:35,820
malleable after quote unquote after the

1081
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:37,320
fact right

1082
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:39,780
so we already know that in principle and

1083
00:39:42,349 --> 00:39:41,040
all I'm saying is that at these

1084
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,359
different dimensional levels these

1085
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:44,400
others live in that reality totally so

1086
00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:46,260
it's not just partial it's not glimpses

1087
00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:48,359
like that is their daily reality

1088
00:39:54,109 --> 00:39:51,660
so think about if you lived in that for

1089
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:54,119
a long period of time you come here to a

1090
00:39:57,370 --> 00:39:55,680
sort of a 3D sphere where there's so

1091
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,380
much division there's so much

1092
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:59,040
misrepresentation of what people

1093
00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:00,900
actually believe and feel

1094
00:40:05,030 --> 00:40:03,000
they're not aware of any of that right

1095
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:05,040
so the complexity of how you actually

1096
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:08,040
roll this out for a 3D culture is a

1097
00:40:12,349 --> 00:40:10,980
complex issue for sure and um I think

1098
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:12,359
that

1099
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:15,660
partly the shift to this this Grassroots

1100
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:18,240
movement is because even some of these

1101
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:20,460
others that are the most benevolent kind

1102
00:40:24,109 --> 00:40:22,260
that try to be non-interventionists

1103
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:24,119
generally they've opted for this

1104
00:40:28,430 --> 00:40:25,619
Grassroots because what that really does

1105
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:28,440
is it puts the impetus on us right it

1106
00:40:32,690 --> 00:40:31,079
says when you're ready when you call for

1107
00:40:34,730 --> 00:40:32,700
help because your Consciousness has hit

1108
00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:34,740
that level we will help you and then if

1109
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:36,180
your friend does the same thing we will

1110
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,160
help them and if enough of you join

1111
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:40,680
together like you hinted at earlier you

1112
00:40:46,490 --> 00:40:42,900
became you become this new synergistic

1113
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,500
Force right this new coherent field that

1114
00:40:50,930 --> 00:40:48,480
now sends ripples into the world and the

1115
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,940
more more of us there are the stronger

1116
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:52,800
that coherent field is the more it's

1117
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:55,619
able to actually slowly begin to change

1118
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:58,380
the entire situation so it's kind of

1119
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,180
like you know when you have a massive

1120
00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:02,400
downpour and for a while the rivers kind

1121
00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:04,859
of run wild right and new channels are

1122
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:06,119
formed but then when it dries up things

1123
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:07,980
go back to where they were we're talking

1124
00:41:11,569 --> 00:41:09,359
about eventually getting to the point

1125
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:11,579
where there's enough of a downpour that

1126
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:12,720
the

1127
00:41:17,329 --> 00:41:14,940
fundamental course of those River change

1128
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:17,339
those Rivers change for good

1129
00:41:21,290 --> 00:41:19,140
I mean that double meaning they're good

1130
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,300
in terms of the good of all but also I

1131
00:41:24,349 --> 00:41:23,280
mean forever that really it gets to the

1132
00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:24,359
point where there becomes this

1133
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:26,220
fundamental shift that it doesn't go

1134
00:41:29,930 --> 00:41:27,359
back to the way it was before when

1135
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,940
enough people are woken up uh to this

1136
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,680
this greater reality which again is

1137
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:33,540
based in Consciousness not about based

1138
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:35,339
in you know extraterrestrial or

1139
00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:36,660
interdimensional whatever it's about

1140
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:39,420
this recognition about the the connected

1141
00:41:44,750 --> 00:41:42,180
nature of everything so so that's what I

1142
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:44,760
think about that is that um that it's an

1143
00:41:50,810 --> 00:41:47,760
excellent point you make that

1144
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:50,820
not only have some of the overtures in

1145
00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:52,980
history not been perfectly done and even

1146
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:54,300
some of these others will admit this

1147
00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:55,920
right that even comes up in the raw

1148
00:41:59,329 --> 00:41:57,420
material

1149
00:42:01,370 --> 00:41:59,339
um

1150
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:01,380
but this is part of the translation

1151
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:03,900
problem you get not just between two

1152
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,300
different civilizations but when you've

1153
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,400
got one civilization that now is at a

1154
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:10,680
collective thinking level right versus

1155
00:42:15,530 --> 00:42:13,560
one that's very very divided with many

1156
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,540
many different World Views coexisting at

1157
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:17,280
the same time like I say many many times

1158
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:19,680
in our own country there's three main

1159
00:42:24,170 --> 00:42:21,720
like majorly different ways of seeing

1160
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,180
reality itself we've got half of the

1161
00:42:27,650 --> 00:42:26,160
populists just in one country

1162
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:27,660
who has a completely different view of

1163
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:29,220
reality and a completely different

1164
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:31,380
definition of government than the other

1165
00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:32,820
half right and that's just in one

1166
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:35,700
country so so for some of these others

1167
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:37,980
who were experiencing this remarkable

1168
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:43,200
degree of unity and uniformity to come

1169
00:42:47,870 --> 00:42:44,880
in and try and

1170
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,880
work with us sometimes you know it's

1171
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:49,920
more complicated than they realize even

1172
00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:55,130
in that sense we probably should give

1173
00:42:59,150 --> 00:42:57,300
some Grace to some of the the the groups

1174
00:43:01,309 --> 00:42:59,160
that have had to make these decisions in

1175
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:01,319
the past because they know it maybe is

1176
00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:04,260
not as simple as it seems but but these

1177
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:05,400
are some of the complexities that are

1178
00:43:09,290 --> 00:43:06,900
involved and I think it's good to point

1179
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:09,300
out to people that

1180
00:43:14,510 --> 00:43:12,540
even if you really look to the positive

1181
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:14,520
ones the benevolent ones the the morally

1182
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,220
Advanced ones to come and help us

1183
00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:19,920
it's still complex because again like

1184
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:21,660
you and I have talked about before

1185
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,640
if the goal is to actually grow our

1186
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,720
souls

1187
00:43:29,210 --> 00:43:26,880
if the goal is to actually also speaking

1188
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:29,220
of this conscious agents that group

1189
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:30,900
together to form new conscious agents

1190
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,220
and eventually that becomes like a

1191
00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:34,079
planetary consciousness of all the

1192
00:43:38,809 --> 00:43:35,640
people on the planet

1193
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:38,819
then then fixing short-term problems

1194
00:43:43,069 --> 00:43:40,980
with a with a nanny State you know

1195
00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:43,079
interdimensional or ET group that comes

1196
00:43:48,650 --> 00:43:45,720
in kind of defeats the ultimate goal

1197
00:43:50,569 --> 00:43:48,660
which is the growth of individual souls

1198
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:50,579
and Collective Consciousness so so

1199
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:52,740
that's why it's a win-win when you focus

1200
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:54,720
on the Grassroots Consciousness thing

1201
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,839
because number one that puts the the

1202
00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:00,480
impetus on change on us which is more

1203
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:03,500
likely to work right and it also

1204
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:05,880
accomplishes both eventually changing

1205
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:08,280
the nature of our society but it also

1206
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,680
more fundamentally changes our level of

1207
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,480
Consciousness and that's something we

1208
00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:15,359
take Beyond just this lifetime

1209
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,859
well I wanna

1210
00:44:20,750 --> 00:44:18,660
keep getting into this because I think

1211
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:20,760
you know some might

1212
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:22,920
have a visceral reaction to to some of

1213
00:44:27,470 --> 00:44:25,619
these conclusions and I and personally I

1214
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:27,480
on some level I kind of understand

1215
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:30,180
because I mean there's a lot about our

1216
00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:32,460
material world that that we enjoy that

1217
00:44:38,750 --> 00:44:35,880
we like you know and so what I hear you

1218
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:38,760
saying is that uh you know materiality

1219
00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:42,720
in in itself is uh is very transient

1220
00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:44,880
it's not necessarily it's not the last

1221
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,980
stop in the in the train station line

1222
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,480
you know it's not where we're going

1223
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:51,359
we're going beyond that but but man

1224
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:53,099
materiality is fun you know I like

1225
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,480
having things and I like having

1226
00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:56,160
interactions in this you know 3D

1227
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:59,280
experience and uh you know it's it's a

1228
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:00,480
little jarring to sometimes

1229
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:03,780
conceptualize a kind of existence that

1230
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:06,060
would be post-material

1231
00:45:10,490 --> 00:45:08,880
um and you know what would that have art

1232
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,500
would that have music would that have

1233
00:45:14,329 --> 00:45:12,240
you know you can you've had you've heard

1234
00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:14,339
these kinds of arguments before

1235
00:45:17,630 --> 00:45:15,660
um and I think it you know maybe we can

1236
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:17,640
spend some time talking about that I I

1237
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,180
because I value that experience and I I

1238
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:23,520
think it's probably safe to say that the

1239
00:45:28,010 --> 00:45:25,740
Consciousness values that experience as

1240
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,020
well because it's it's imperative to

1241
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:30,240
have it as part of that that

1242
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:34,200
Consciousness Journey but uh you know is

1243
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:35,940
the end goal like what are the stakes

1244
00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:39,240
here is it just total Transcendence and

1245
00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:42,060
you know unification like where are we

1246
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:44,040
headed in your mind and is there is

1247
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,540
there room there for individuated

1248
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:47,280
experience at all at the at the end of

1249
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:48,660
the day

1250
00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:50,520
well this is where the conversation gets

1251
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,780
tricky because

1252
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:53,520
um you know

1253
00:45:56,809 --> 00:45:55,200
um

1254
00:46:00,050 --> 00:45:56,819
you know from some of our private

1255
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,060
conversations that I'm uh Zen Buddhism

1256
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:01,920
has been a major influence on my life

1257
00:46:05,150 --> 00:46:03,240
and

1258
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:05,160
um

1259
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:08,460
and you know the most benevolent and

1260
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:10,440
Progressive and advanced ones of these

1261
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,839
that I'm aware of and and even the ones

1262
00:46:17,089 --> 00:46:14,640
that I've been in contact with are

1263
00:46:18,530 --> 00:46:17,099
definitely Beyond materiality you know

1264
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:18,540
and

1265
00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:23,040
that that's those same things that you

1266
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:26,040
love and that you appreciate also cause

1267
00:46:29,809 --> 00:46:28,920
all of your suffering right because

1268
00:46:31,730 --> 00:46:29,819
um

1269
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:31,740
the second you have something shiny in

1270
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:34,319
you you worry about what happens when it

1271
00:46:37,130 --> 00:46:35,760
gets dented and damaged right when it's

1272
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,140
not so shiny in you anymore what if

1273
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:38,880
someone someone can take it right the

1274
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,440
second you like something that's

1275
00:46:44,750 --> 00:46:42,000
material then you worry about what if

1276
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:44,760
someone steals it right so we we you

1277
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:47,520
know build fences and we you know put up

1278
00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:50,339
borders and we you know creating US

1279
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:51,960
versus them you know all in other words

1280
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,660
all of the second you allow for any kind

1281
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:56,579
of differentiation right

1282
00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:58,980
I like this more than this the second

1283
00:47:03,710 --> 00:47:01,140
you do that right

1284
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:03,720
um in like in in the law of one the raw

1285
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:04,619
material that's one of the first

1286
00:47:09,349 --> 00:47:06,839
distortions is the second you have free

1287
00:47:10,970 --> 00:47:09,359
will you then can make distinction and

1288
00:47:14,270 --> 00:47:10,980
this is this is Central to Buddhism too

1289
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:14,280
this notion that the second you have a

1290
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:17,040
preference you've introduced suffering

1291
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:18,540
because the second you have a preference

1292
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,740
then your preference might not be

1293
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:21,599
fulfilled and then you suffer

1294
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:25,440
so sort of a an admonition there is you

1295
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:26,640
know

1296
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:31,200
not suffer right

1297
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:33,960
um and I understand on the one hand that

1298
00:47:36,890 --> 00:47:35,760
that sounds very Pie in the Sky to some

1299
00:47:39,530 --> 00:47:36,900
people

1300
00:47:41,450 --> 00:47:39,540
but I'm talking about like you know

1301
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:41,460
whether it's something you desire or

1302
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:43,500
something you're and you know you you

1303
00:47:49,309 --> 00:47:46,319
have an aversion to right either one can

1304
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:49,319
cause suffering and it's hard to live in

1305
00:47:53,210 --> 00:47:50,940
a material world without both of those

1306
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:53,220
things coming into play and so as much

1307
00:47:57,470 --> 00:47:55,140
as you can say we appreciate those

1308
00:48:00,589 --> 00:47:57,480
things I think when you really sit down

1309
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:00,599
and and work it out you realize that all

1310
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:02,640
of our suffering also comes from those

1311
00:48:08,630 --> 00:48:05,760
things right so for instance we we avoid

1312
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:08,640
talking about death in our culture right

1313
00:48:11,329 --> 00:48:10,140
there are some cultures where they get

1314
00:48:12,650 --> 00:48:11,339
together and drink wine have a

1315
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:12,660
celebration right because they're like

1316
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:15,420
hey that person's gone into a maybe a

1317
00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:17,640
post-material existence or they're

1318
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:19,079
coming back to learn a new bunch of

1319
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:20,819
lessons you know or whatever whatever

1320
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:22,440
one it is but you know even when it

1321
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:24,540
comes to sort of the Eastern spiritual

1322
00:48:28,370 --> 00:48:26,579
Traditions what westerners often don't

1323
00:48:30,770 --> 00:48:28,380
realize is that

1324
00:48:32,930 --> 00:48:30,780
the whole point of life after death is

1325
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:32,940
not so you can keep reincarnating the

1326
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:35,160
goal is ultimately to transcend the need

1327
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,200
to reincarnate that that's the whole

1328
00:48:41,329 --> 00:48:39,839
point that the whole point is that you

1329
00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:41,339
know you get to the point where you

1330
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:43,800
learn enough lessons work out your karma

1331
00:48:48,290 --> 00:48:46,020
enough that you transcend and you become

1332
00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:48,300
post material so

1333
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,859
um the idea that

1334
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:52,079
cool man so I get to come back and buy a

1335
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:53,940
Ferrari all over again and eat pizza I

1336
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,140
mean you know what I mean like that that

1337
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:56,880
kind of misses the point and it's one of

1338
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:59,819
the ways that uh Western Society is kind

1339
00:49:03,650 --> 00:49:01,140
of like you know

1340
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,660
perverted some of these initial Eastern

1341
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:05,760
Traditions like we like the life after

1342
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:07,740
death part but we forget the whole

1343
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:10,680
Transcendence part right or look past it

1344
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:12,599
so

1345
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:19,800
more than we can tackle in one podcast

1346
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:21,180
and one of the reasons why I would love

1347
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:22,740
to and you and I have talked about this

1348
00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:24,780
eventually do Retreats and things like

1349
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:27,000
that is because some of this deep

1350
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:29,160
meditation work some of this deep um

1351
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:32,280
non-dual work some of this uh really

1352
00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:33,839
delving into the depth of who you are

1353
00:49:38,450 --> 00:49:36,780
and and and actually coming into contact

1354
00:49:40,550 --> 00:49:38,460
with that part of you that connects with

1355
00:49:43,609 --> 00:49:40,560
the Bedrock of all Consciousness and

1356
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:43,619
actually experiencing that is so freeing

1357
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,980
so fulfilling that those of us who've

1358
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:48,960
had that experience nothing in the

1359
00:49:56,089 --> 00:49:52,200
material world Compares because you have

1360
00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:56,099
in potentia everything is there right

1361
00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:58,560
so so why would you want to then come

1362
00:50:02,030 --> 00:49:59,940
back to the it's almost like you know

1363
00:50:04,430 --> 00:50:02,040
the this notion of you know coming back

1364
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,440
and you live in the in the pig slop and

1365
00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:06,000
you know you like your mud and things

1366
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:07,800
like that and you don't want someone to

1367
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:09,180
take it away it's a little bit like that

1368
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:11,220
in comparison right

1369
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,720
um

1370
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:15,359
but but that is kind of the the notion

1371
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,980
that you kind of spiral up until

1372
00:50:22,130 --> 00:50:18,660
eventually you can have a unification

1373
00:50:24,109 --> 00:50:22,140
with with the cosmic intelligence right

1374
00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:24,119
that you are kind of on that level right

1375
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:25,859
that that each like we've talked about

1376
00:50:30,829 --> 00:50:27,900
in the last episode each of us is sort

1377
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:30,839
of a fractal holographic image of the

1378
00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:33,180
original intelligence right and so in

1379
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:35,160
each of each of us is the possibility

1380
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:38,520
the potential to eventually uh fully

1381
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:40,920
realize what is already in us right so

1382
00:50:46,250 --> 00:50:44,040
one of the main points in Buddhism is

1383
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:46,260
that you are already a Buddha each and

1384
00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:47,819
every one of us is already a Buddha when

1385
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:48,780
you

1386
00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:56,760
that not just sort of as the sort of pie

1387
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,619
in the sky you know let's look like nice

1388
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,960
people but it it's because really

1389
00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:02,880
there's that sense of that fractal

1390
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:04,920
holographic image in every single one of

1391
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:07,440
us that really each of us has the

1392
00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:09,900
possibility or that we already actually

1393
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,839
are a Buddha and that the only thing

1394
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:15,119
that gets in the way is the distortions

1395
00:51:19,809 --> 00:51:17,460
that prevent us from seeing so if we

1396
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,819
want to say distortions in terms of like

1397
00:51:25,549 --> 00:51:22,559
frequencies that kind of like obscure

1398
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:25,559
our view or our focus on materiality

1399
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:27,240
that that prevents us from seeing

1400
00:51:30,290 --> 00:51:28,740
further into the Horizon and realizing

1401
00:51:31,790 --> 00:51:30,300
wait wait a second everything is there

1402
00:51:33,109 --> 00:51:31,800
like you know I'm connected to

1403
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,119
absolutely everything why would I worry

1404
00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:35,040
about my car and my house on my blah

1405
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:36,059
blah

1406
00:51:39,170 --> 00:51:37,380
so

1407
00:51:40,730 --> 00:51:39,180
this is kind of what's on the table and

1408
00:51:43,609 --> 00:51:40,740
that's why for me

1409
00:51:45,470 --> 00:51:43,619
this work you know even when I go and

1410
00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:45,480
live in this tiny cabin for two and a

1411
00:51:50,030 --> 00:51:47,640
half months meditation is going to be a

1412
00:51:53,270 --> 00:51:50,040
huge part of it because to me contact

1413
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,280
work is part and parcel with meditation

1414
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,400
and there's a reason why cu5 and Heist

1415
00:52:00,109 --> 00:51:58,079
has had

1416
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:00,119
you know elements like meditation and

1417
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:02,520
vegetarianism is a big part of it

1418
00:52:06,589 --> 00:52:04,980
because the way you are or the way you

1419
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:06,599
think changes the way you are and the

1420
00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:08,160
way you are changes how you interact

1421
00:52:13,609 --> 00:52:10,980
with reality which opens up new avenues

1422
00:52:15,650 --> 00:52:13,619
of of communication with some of these

1423
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:15,660
other intelligences and so sometimes

1424
00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:17,400
people will ask me you know how do I

1425
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:19,800
give me the magic recipe how I can make

1426
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,960
contact tonight I'm like well you got to

1427
00:52:25,069 --> 00:52:23,520
kind of change who you are right like I

1428
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:25,079
mean yes you might be able to go out and

1429
00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:26,880
have a C5 experience tonight but if you

1430
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,099
really want ultimately to be

1431
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:31,200
on the track that these other ones are

1432
00:52:34,670 --> 00:52:32,640
encouraging that the more benevolent

1433
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:34,680
ones then this is really what what's on

1434
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,480
the table

1435
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:38,880
well and that's super helpful and I I

1436
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:40,260
but I also and we talked about this

1437
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,020
before privately that you know it's and

1438
00:52:45,890 --> 00:52:44,880
I think you touched on this with the the

1439
00:52:48,109 --> 00:52:45,900
Buddhist

1440
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:48,119
interpretation you know everyone that

1441
00:52:53,450 --> 00:52:50,160
you meet is you treat them as the Buddha

1442
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,460
and that's the the the various

1443
00:52:58,250 --> 00:52:56,160
experiences that we have are embodied

1444
00:53:01,309 --> 00:52:58,260
experiences are are meaningful you know

1445
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,319
are valuable that um it's not and there

1446
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:03,119
really are no

1447
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:06,180
there are no shortcuts right so you know

1448
00:53:09,170 --> 00:53:07,800
you talked about Lamborghinis and pizza

1449
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,180
you know if you want to come back and

1450
00:53:13,069 --> 00:53:11,280
eat ice cream and pizza or whatever that

1451
00:53:14,809 --> 00:53:13,079
Lamborghini all right you just told me

1452
00:53:17,210 --> 00:53:14,819
you're biased right there okay exactly

1453
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:17,220
well you know I'm a Lambo guy

1454
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,480
um but you know you could come back and

1455
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,160
do that right so maybe you come back and

1456
00:53:23,630 --> 00:53:22,079
and you you say you know I did enjoy

1457
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:23,640
that a lot I want to come back and do

1458
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,260
that again and I want to do it again

1459
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,839
until until just like you experience in

1460
00:53:31,970 --> 00:53:29,520
your own life if you eat too much ice

1461
00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:31,980
cream because it tastes good you're

1462
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,300
gonna get sick and then you're not going

1463
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,280
to eat it anymore you know you know it

1464
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:37,200
really hurts you so it's the same kind

1465
00:53:41,170 --> 00:53:39,359
of concept that so I think it's it's to

1466
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:41,180
me it's exciting that there are these

1467
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:43,440
these corollaries in our lived

1468
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,280
experience to these larger uh themes in

1469
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:49,440
our in our spiritual journey because I

1470
00:53:53,390 --> 00:53:51,240
think it gives us these touch points of

1471
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:53,400
understanding but but I want to make

1472
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:55,200
sure it emphasizes well because this is

1473
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,760
this is kind of where my heart really is

1474
00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:57,839
is that

1475
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:01,800
it's uh you know celebrating each sort

1476
00:54:07,490 --> 00:54:04,079
of ladder in the rung in the latter

1477
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:07,500
right is important that uh you know

1478
00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:09,599
where you are now and and what you feel

1479
00:54:14,329 --> 00:54:11,940
energetically in tune with and attracted

1480
00:54:15,890 --> 00:54:14,339
to like that is important you know feel

1481
00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:15,900
into that

1482
00:54:19,549 --> 00:54:17,940
and explore that

1483
00:54:22,010 --> 00:54:19,559
um don't kind of just mindlessly go

1484
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:22,020
through it you know really get into that

1485
00:54:28,430 --> 00:54:25,020
and and celebrate that uh if you're not

1486
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:28,440
you know sort of a a an enlightened

1487
00:54:32,089 --> 00:54:30,180
master or something don't kind of beat

1488
00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:32,099
yourself up about it because that's just

1489
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:34,020
not it's not part of the journey you're

1490
00:54:40,010 --> 00:54:36,480
on right now and um and that's okay

1491
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:40,020
because I think eventually you will and

1492
00:54:44,089 --> 00:54:42,720
um and a part of you already has as you

1493
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:44,099
pointed out before you know it's already

1494
00:54:50,270 --> 00:54:47,460
within and it's already there so you

1495
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:50,280
know to me like we talk about what's at

1496
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,260
stake and you know kind of the fixations

1497
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,240
on certain kinds of disclosure I mean it

1498
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:55,920
is kind of interesting that the nuts and

1499
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:58,619
bolts disclosure crowd is is very much

1500
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,380
more kind of that chasing of the

1501
00:55:05,150 --> 00:55:03,359
experience that materialism you know

1502
00:55:06,589 --> 00:55:05,160
like I want to just I want to I want to

1503
00:55:08,089 --> 00:55:06,599
have it I want to taste it I want to

1504
00:55:09,950 --> 00:55:08,099
feel it I want to touch it whatever it

1505
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:09,960
is and then the experiencer side of it

1506
00:55:13,549 --> 00:55:11,819
you know there really as you said

1507
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,559
earlier they're trying to live into this

1508
00:55:17,870 --> 00:55:15,839
you know what does it mean for me on a

1509
00:55:20,030 --> 00:55:17,880
spiritual level what does it mean for us

1510
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:20,040
as a people you know how do I make sense

1511
00:55:25,130 --> 00:55:22,920
of this so I think those two factions

1512
00:55:28,130 --> 00:55:25,140
you know really illustrate kind of the

1513
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:28,140
the overall journey and as far as what

1514
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:29,880
is at stake I mean

1515
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:31,380
I think we could talk about that that's

1516
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:33,900
some as well but you know we tend to

1517
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:36,000
fixate and I think rightly so on like

1518
00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:37,740
the bad things you know in terms of what

1519
00:55:42,410 --> 00:55:39,240
is at stake like if we don't do this

1520
00:55:45,410 --> 00:55:42,420
right now you know the world's gonna end

1521
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,420
and and it's game over man but that's

1522
00:55:50,089 --> 00:55:47,760
not really the way it to think about it

1523
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:50,099
you know you know that we if you have to

1524
00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:52,260
take a much more expansive view of

1525
00:55:57,530 --> 00:55:54,839
what's happening in in reality and it's

1526
00:55:59,569 --> 00:55:57,540
not just you know that this this

1527
00:56:01,609 --> 00:55:59,579
iteration of your experience on this

1528
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,619
Earth You know there are many things

1529
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:03,599
that are gonna that are happening have

1530
00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:05,460
happened and will happen in your

1531
00:56:09,170 --> 00:56:07,319
spiritual journey and so I think that

1532
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:09,180
that's important to keep in mind that

1533
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,640
just because we may not get it right you

1534
00:56:16,010 --> 00:56:13,200
know in this one instance and we don't

1535
00:56:17,990 --> 00:56:16,020
maybe you know hit disclosure hit that

1536
00:56:20,089 --> 00:56:18,000
ball right out of the park uh you know

1537
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:20,099
on the first swing doesn't mean it's

1538
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:22,319
like well I guess we screwed that up and

1539
00:56:24,829 --> 00:56:23,640
it's game over

1540
00:56:26,510 --> 00:56:24,839
so I don't know if you want to talk to

1541
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:26,520
that some but I think that you know kind

1542
00:56:29,270 --> 00:56:27,720
of keeping these things in perspective

1543
00:56:31,790 --> 00:56:29,280
is important

1544
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,800
I totally agree and I think that um

1545
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:33,839
something to understand about a non-dual

1546
00:56:38,109 --> 00:56:37,140
perspective is unlike sort of a a more

1547
00:56:40,849 --> 00:56:38,119
Western

1548
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,859
monotheistic kind of perspective

1549
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,480
um where people are really paranoid

1550
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:45,359
about disobeying and angering God and

1551
00:56:49,790 --> 00:56:47,220
and potentially losing their Eternal

1552
00:56:51,130 --> 00:56:49,800
Soul as a result

1553
00:56:54,410 --> 00:56:51,140
um in in

1554
00:56:56,750 --> 00:56:54,420
non-dual kind of thinking no such thing

1555
00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:56,760
can happen you know because you are an

1556
00:57:00,349 --> 00:56:58,680
extension of the cosmic intelligence or

1557
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,359
God if you can you know say that without

1558
00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:02,640
too much baggage

1559
00:57:06,770 --> 00:57:04,859
um and so

1560
00:57:10,609 --> 00:57:06,780
you know if someone

1561
00:57:13,549 --> 00:57:10,619
some 25 year old wants to spend 25 years

1562
00:57:14,990 --> 00:57:13,559
you know from then on just playing video

1563
00:57:18,109 --> 00:57:15,000
games or something

1564
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:18,119
that's totally okay like they're not

1565
00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:21,960
angering a God by doing that you know

1566
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:23,819
and it's not even like

1567
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:28,440
um some you know six density uh highly

1568
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:30,960
evolved non-dual groups going man what a

1569
00:57:36,349 --> 00:57:33,660
waste you know too much Pac-Man

1570
00:57:38,510 --> 00:57:36,359
um that's not it either because

1571
00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:38,520
whatever you're doing if you're living

1572
00:57:44,089 --> 00:57:41,460
into what feels alive to you now

1573
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:44,099
you're serving the all in other words

1574
00:57:48,109 --> 00:57:45,920
therefore you're serving God you know

1575
00:57:52,130 --> 00:57:48,119
it's as simple as that because like you

1576
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,140
say every rung of the ladder is sacred

1577
00:57:58,370 --> 00:57:54,240
equally sacred

1578
00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:58,380
and um and like you said you can't jump

1579
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,500
steps so it's not like you can say oh so

1580
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:03,599
you know eighth density sounds like like

1581
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:05,760
the top dog so I'm gonna like you know

1582
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:06,960
do whatever it takes to go to eighth

1583
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,240
density from 3D it's not gonna happen

1584
00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:12,240
right and nor is it supposed to like

1585
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:13,619
it's it's again that's sort of that

1586
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:15,960
that's dualistic thinking right that's

1587
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,480
dualistic thinking and non-dual and

1588
00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:20,160
that's why I bring this up so much like

1589
00:58:24,770 --> 00:58:22,020
in on social media and in my podcast

1590
00:58:26,210 --> 00:58:24,780
because to get people to really wrestle

1591
00:58:28,130 --> 00:58:26,220
especially westerners it's hard for

1592
00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:28,140
westerners to really grapple with what

1593
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:31,640
non-duality really means right and and

1594
00:58:35,569 --> 00:58:34,020
non-distinction or or you know not

1595
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:35,579
differentiating between what's good and

1596
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:38,099
bad is part of it right so

1597
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,859
um and and to the point you made earlier

1598
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:42,720
we've talked about this before in terms

1599
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:45,000
of you know my integral background and I

1600
00:58:49,549 --> 00:58:46,559
know this has been influential for you

1601
00:58:52,010 --> 00:58:49,559
too that whatever perspective you're

1602
00:58:53,930 --> 00:58:52,020
currently holding whatever worldview or

1603
00:58:57,190 --> 00:58:53,940
stage of Consciousness you're at

1604
00:59:00,530 --> 00:58:57,200
you have to in a healthy way mature that

1605
00:59:02,750 --> 00:59:00,540
fully embody that before then you begin

1606
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,760
to see the cracks that are the seeds of

1607
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:04,799
the next you know sort of transcendence

1608
00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:07,500
into a butterfly kind of thing right but

1609
00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:09,540
you you don't you don't get there

1610
00:59:12,770 --> 00:59:10,920
overnight you still have that

1611
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:12,780
metamorphosis has to happen in a certain

1612
00:59:17,690 --> 00:59:15,180
progression and it always has to be

1613
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:17,700
through a healthy embodiment of whatever

1614
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:21,720
you're at now so even when it comes to

1615
00:59:26,510 --> 00:59:23,700
um sometimes we may be frustrated by

1616
00:59:28,849 --> 00:59:26,520
some of the the level of conversation on

1617
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:28,859
UFO Twitter for instance but all we can

1618
00:59:34,730 --> 00:59:31,920
ever do is help people

1619
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:34,740
embody and more healthily live into

1620
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:37,980
whatever stage they're at and as that

1621
00:59:42,589 --> 00:59:40,559
happens then as a natural progression

1622
00:59:44,930 --> 00:59:42,599
it's just a part of the natural process

1623
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:44,940
just like leaves eventually come out of

1624
00:59:49,309 --> 00:59:47,280
the tree in the spring right the tree

1625
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:49,319
doesn't have to try it's just naturally

1626
00:59:53,750 --> 00:59:50,880
part of the process I'm saying that's

1627
00:59:55,549 --> 00:59:53,760
true for us too that's part of the the

1628
00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:55,559
embracing of the non-duality is to

1629
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,140
recognize that if I can live naturally

1630
01:00:01,309 --> 00:59:59,760
right in Buddhism this is a big thing

1631
01:00:04,430 --> 01:00:01,319
about how do you live naturally right

1632
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:04,440
because the irony is the second you try

1633
01:00:10,490 --> 01:00:07,680
right you you bring you know intention

1634
01:00:14,030 --> 01:00:10,500
and action to something you're kind of

1635
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:14,040
um you're losing your subtle awareness

1636
01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:17,520
of this deeper reality so it's more like

1637
01:00:23,569 --> 01:00:20,880
relaxing into it again getting out of

1638
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,579
your own way that kind of thing but

1639
01:00:30,109 --> 01:00:26,640
for sure the um this is really about

1640
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,119
embracing all levels all all rungs on

1641
01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:33,359
the the developmental spiral or ladder

1642
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,640
wrong wrong analogy there

1643
01:00:41,030 --> 01:00:37,680
um you know or different levels of the

1644
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,040
Spiral and um

1645
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:42,720
and and that's a it's a good point to

1646
01:00:46,250 --> 01:00:44,700
sort of you know make a final point on

1647
01:00:48,589 --> 01:00:46,260
this here

1648
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,599
is that you know

1649
01:00:51,890 --> 01:00:50,640
don't get too caught up in the whole

1650
01:00:54,609 --> 01:00:51,900
public disclosure thing because

1651
01:00:58,030 --> 01:00:54,619
everything you need to fulfill yourself

1652
01:01:01,010 --> 01:00:58,040
to become who you're supposed to be to

1653
01:01:02,990 --> 01:01:01,020
take whatever steps are necessary for

1654
01:01:04,190 --> 01:01:03,000
you to feel fulfilled are available to

1655
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:04,200
you right now

1656
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:07,200
no government organization can't can

1657
01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:09,660
bring that to you even if they did

1658
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:11,160
announce things on the White House lawn

1659
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,480
tomorrow so that's something to keep in

1660
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:14,400
mind as well is that

1661
01:01:17,930 --> 01:01:16,500
um not only is that maybe not going to

1662
01:01:19,069 --> 01:01:17,940
happen the way people want it to but

1663
01:01:20,510 --> 01:01:19,079
that's not really what's going to

1664
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:20,520
fulfill you in the long run anyway and

1665
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:22,799
that's not really what this entire game

1666
01:01:26,510 --> 01:01:24,660
quote unquote is about you know like if

1667
01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:26,520
it's about really

1668
01:01:30,349 --> 01:01:28,740
living into who we are and just and

1669
01:01:31,809 --> 01:01:30,359
enjoying that like you say you know like

1670
01:01:35,569 --> 01:01:31,819
just uh really

1671
01:01:37,970 --> 01:01:35,579
fully embodying in a somatic sense every

1672
01:01:40,370 --> 01:01:37,980
step of the of the process you know like

1673
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:40,380
when I think back to who I was 10 years

1674
01:01:44,089 --> 01:01:42,900
ago it would do me no good to go back

1675
01:01:45,230 --> 01:01:44,099
you know you often hear about these

1676
01:01:47,150 --> 01:01:45,240
things what would you say to yourself if

1677
01:01:49,069 --> 01:01:47,160
you could say like two sentences to

1678
01:01:51,289 --> 01:01:49,079
yourself 10 or 20 years ago

1679
01:01:52,849 --> 01:01:51,299
and the truth is the wisdom you have now

1680
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,859
is not really going to help who you are

1681
01:01:56,390 --> 01:01:54,240
then because you're not the same person

1682
01:01:59,210 --> 01:01:56,400
right that's what people don't realize

1683
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,220
when they ask that question so I think

1684
01:02:02,329 --> 01:02:00,720
all you can do is

1685
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:02,339
um you know it sort of comes down to the

1686
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:03,599
sort of cliche you know there are no

1687
01:02:07,609 --> 01:02:05,760
mistakes you know in the sense that you

1688
01:02:09,230 --> 01:02:07,619
know whatever either you win or you

1689
01:02:11,569 --> 01:02:09,240
learn and if you learn then you win

1690
01:02:14,089 --> 01:02:11,579
right in the long run so uh just keep

1691
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,099
living into it and and don't get caught

1692
01:02:18,770 --> 01:02:16,559
up too much in these external issues

1693
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:18,780
like public disclosure

1694
01:02:24,349 --> 01:02:21,599
yeah I'm so glad you you talked about

1695
01:02:27,289 --> 01:02:24,359
that uh you know I think I'm definitely

1696
01:02:29,030 --> 01:02:27,299
in that place right now as opposed to

1697
01:02:31,970 --> 01:02:29,040
maybe where I was a year ago or two

1698
01:02:34,190 --> 01:02:31,980
years ago certainly uh fixated on every

1699
01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:34,200
sort of news sound bite was going to be

1700
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:36,900
coming out and you know reading every

1701
01:02:41,569 --> 01:02:40,319
bit of uh sort of nugget between the

1702
01:02:43,549 --> 01:02:41,579
lines and saying what does this really

1703
01:02:45,650 --> 01:02:43,559
mean and how do I crack this code and

1704
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,660
you know how do I know where they're

1705
01:02:48,530 --> 01:02:47,280
actually from and what the craft can do

1706
01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:48,540
and it's

1707
01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:51,660
you know for me now it's almost uh it's

1708
01:02:54,890 --> 01:02:52,920
actually kind of more of a distraction

1709
01:02:57,710 --> 01:02:54,900
quite frankly

1710
01:02:59,690 --> 01:02:57,720
um and and I find that

1711
01:03:01,730 --> 01:02:59,700
if I'm really quiet with myself and

1712
01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:01,740
understand this you know at a deep level

1713
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:03,839
it's not just that that's a distraction

1714
01:03:07,849 --> 01:03:06,180
it's that that most of the things that

1715
01:03:10,849 --> 01:03:07,859
we're doing in our day-to-day life are

1716
01:03:14,089 --> 01:03:10,859
distractions and so you know it's not

1717
01:03:16,130 --> 01:03:14,099
it's not that UFOs necessarily are you

1718
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:16,140
know that much more important you know

1719
01:03:21,049 --> 01:03:18,660
that they somehow unlock you know the

1720
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:21,059
magic knowledge like the the reality is

1721
01:03:24,890 --> 01:03:23,160
that all of these things that that we

1722
01:03:26,450 --> 01:03:24,900
come into and that we place so much

1723
01:03:28,609 --> 01:03:26,460
importance on in our life and that we

1724
01:03:31,789 --> 01:03:28,619
feel like we need uh some sort of

1725
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:31,799
revelatory experience of this XYZ thing

1726
01:03:36,349 --> 01:03:33,660
because it's going to change us and make

1727
01:03:39,309 --> 01:03:36,359
us a better whoever you know those

1728
01:03:42,770 --> 01:03:39,319
fixations that that that that that

1729
01:03:44,930 --> 01:03:42,780
incessant need to know is really part of

1730
01:03:47,930 --> 01:03:44,940
the part of the problem it's an obstacle

1731
01:03:49,370 --> 01:03:47,940
to you you know so and I know that look

1732
01:03:50,569 --> 01:03:49,380
I I get it you know if you're listening

1733
01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:50,579
to us and you've been listening to this

1734
01:03:54,289 --> 01:03:52,980
show for the last I don't know 10

1735
01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:54,299
episodes perhaps I don't know how long

1736
01:03:56,690 --> 01:03:55,500
it's been where we've been on this kind

1737
01:03:59,089 --> 01:03:56,700
of kick but

1738
01:04:01,490 --> 01:03:59,099
it's been a very spiritual show you know

1739
01:04:03,470 --> 01:04:01,500
we started out I think uh talking a lot

1740
01:04:05,930 --> 01:04:03,480
more about some of the different you

1741
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,940
know permutations and uh you know kind

1742
01:04:09,470 --> 01:04:07,680
of keeping up in mind and then building

1743
01:04:11,569 --> 01:04:09,480
your your tool kit to interpret these

1744
01:04:13,670 --> 01:04:11,579
things and you know we spent more time

1745
01:04:17,270 --> 01:04:13,680
recently getting into I think the very

1746
01:04:20,690 --> 01:04:17,280
personal uh aspects of of the phenomena

1747
01:04:22,250 --> 01:04:20,700
and uh and of our own Journeys and and

1748
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:22,260
look I mean I'm telling you if you're

1749
01:04:26,450 --> 01:04:24,240
listening like that that's part of the

1750
01:04:28,250 --> 01:04:26,460
process right I mean like you're gonna

1751
01:04:30,130 --> 01:04:28,260
end up there you know if you're not

1752
01:04:33,410 --> 01:04:30,140
there already you're gonna end up there

1753
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:33,420
and I think it's important to you know

1754
01:04:37,130 --> 01:04:35,460
kind of feel into that

1755
01:04:39,170 --> 01:04:37,140
um I don't think either of us are trying

1756
01:04:41,089 --> 01:04:39,180
to you know sell something to anyone

1757
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,099
we're not trying to convince people to

1758
01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,680
you know buy a certain colored robe and

1759
01:04:46,670 --> 01:04:45,359
you know say a certain kind of chant or

1760
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:46,680
anything like that but what we're saying

1761
01:04:51,549 --> 01:04:49,260
is that there there are aspects of the

1762
01:04:55,010 --> 01:04:51,559
of our lived experience

1763
01:04:59,089 --> 01:04:55,020
that are intimately tied into what

1764
01:05:01,069 --> 01:04:59,099
whatever this is is saying to us you

1765
01:05:03,770 --> 01:05:01,079
know and whether it's saying it to us at

1766
01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:03,780
a civilization-wide level or it's saying

1767
01:05:08,410 --> 01:05:06,660
it to us on a on a personal level or

1768
01:05:11,329 --> 01:05:08,420
we've had some kind of personal

1769
01:05:13,609 --> 01:05:11,339
revelation of of something bizarre and

1770
01:05:16,069 --> 01:05:13,619
strange that is broken into our our

1771
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:16,079
reality like it's all of those things

1772
01:05:21,289 --> 01:05:19,740
are pointing in this direction and you

1773
01:05:22,670 --> 01:05:21,299
know these are opportunities I mean

1774
01:05:24,770 --> 01:05:22,680
that's essentially what it comes down to

1775
01:05:28,849 --> 01:05:24,780
you know these are opportunities

1776
01:05:31,069 --> 01:05:28,859
to go deeper into who you are and why

1777
01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:31,079
you are here and how you relate to other

1778
01:05:36,170 --> 01:05:34,680
people and and is that preachy yes but I

1779
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:36,180
mean look if you got everything that you

1780
01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:37,680
wanted on your disclosure wish list

1781
01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:38,940
tomorrow

1782
01:05:44,170 --> 01:05:41,819
does that solve your your problems does

1783
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:44,180
it make you an instantly a better person

1784
01:05:50,450 --> 01:05:48,480
no it doesn't and you know

1785
01:05:51,890 --> 01:05:50,460
to me that's what it's all about you

1786
01:05:53,329 --> 01:05:51,900
know perhaps I'm wrong and perhaps I've

1787
01:05:55,609 --> 01:05:53,339
been indoctrinated as a young person

1788
01:05:58,130 --> 01:05:55,619
just to you know kind of focus on those

1789
01:06:00,770 --> 01:05:58,140
things but the these are the higher

1790
01:06:04,190 --> 01:06:00,780
goals I believe it's not just you know

1791
01:06:06,530 --> 01:06:04,200
chasing that next Great Piece of tech so

1792
01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:06,540
I can you know zip from here to Tokyo in

1793
01:06:10,430 --> 01:06:08,280
two minutes

1794
01:06:13,250 --> 01:06:10,440
yeah and getting back to what we talked

1795
01:06:15,710 --> 01:06:13,260
about before where I mentioned how

1796
01:06:19,130 --> 01:06:15,720
suffering comes from desire and

1797
01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:19,140
diversion equally right

1798
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:21,240
um sometimes without being fully

1799
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:23,940
cognizant of it people look to

1800
01:06:29,329 --> 01:06:26,640
disclosure as that shiny Lamborghini

1801
01:06:30,829 --> 01:06:29,339
right I mean that that's the the thing

1802
01:06:32,690 --> 01:06:30,839
that does it for them right people have

1803
01:06:39,829 --> 01:06:32,700
different

1804
01:06:41,150 --> 01:06:39,839
oh if I only had that that would be it

1805
01:06:42,349 --> 01:06:41,160
you know

1806
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:42,359
um and and as we've talked about before

1807
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,920
and as we talked about in that small

1808
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:46,079
group we did online in the summer with

1809
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:48,480
two of our friends you know the very

1810
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:50,160
second you get the thing you think is

1811
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:51,780
going to fulfill you

1812
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:54,420
you in that Split Second it happens you

1813
01:06:58,910 --> 01:06:56,400
suddenly feel connected to everything

1814
01:07:01,010 --> 01:06:58,920
and you and all your

1815
01:07:03,770 --> 01:07:01,020
yearning goes away right you have that

1816
01:07:06,049 --> 01:07:03,780
feeling of completion but ironically

1817
01:07:07,309 --> 01:07:06,059
as I said back then you know it's

1818
01:07:09,770 --> 01:07:07,319
because

1819
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:09,780
um you've actually

1820
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:13,680
rested in non-dual Source in that moment

1821
01:07:17,390 --> 01:07:15,839
because you fulfilled the thing that was

1822
01:07:19,549 --> 01:07:17,400
in the way and so it's out of the way

1823
01:07:21,049 --> 01:07:19,559
it's what you actually feel is that

1824
01:07:22,250 --> 01:07:21,059
connection to everything for a Split

1825
01:07:25,010 --> 01:07:22,260
Second

1826
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:25,020
and then the next thing comes up that

1827
01:07:30,049 --> 01:07:27,359
that feeling comes back again right and

1828
01:07:32,029 --> 01:07:30,059
then we quickly go well last time the

1829
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:32,039
way I got to that we don't call it a

1830
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:33,660
non-dual realization but when I got to

1831
01:07:37,010 --> 01:07:35,039
that good feeling it was when I finally

1832
01:07:39,710 --> 01:07:37,020
got that Ferrari or when I ate that

1833
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:39,720
pizza or when I moved to California you

1834
01:07:43,309 --> 01:07:41,640
know whatever it is right

1835
01:07:45,049 --> 01:07:43,319
um

1836
01:07:46,849 --> 01:07:45,059
and so we think I just need to do that

1837
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:46,859
again and so we keep chasing these

1838
01:07:51,470 --> 01:07:48,660
things right and of course we live in a

1839
01:07:52,910 --> 01:07:51,480
materialist culture where yeah you know

1840
01:07:54,349 --> 01:07:52,920
there's no shortage of options for the

1841
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:54,359
shiny things that are offered to you

1842
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,460
right and and that becomes the game that

1843
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,319
we became become the rats that just

1844
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,960
Chase things in the Maze right

1845
01:08:03,950 --> 01:08:02,160
um

1846
01:08:08,510 --> 01:08:03,960
so

1847
01:08:09,770 --> 01:08:08,520
our audience and my guess is you know

1848
01:08:11,150 --> 01:08:09,780
you mentioned how the last 10 episodes

1849
01:08:13,309 --> 01:08:11,160
whatever we've kind of gone in this

1850
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,319
direction my guess is whoever's still

1851
01:08:17,630 --> 01:08:16,080
with us probably leans this way already

1852
01:08:19,729 --> 01:08:17,640
you know because if if you're looking

1853
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:19,739
for that super nuts and bolts show where

1854
01:08:23,689 --> 01:08:21,120
you're trying to say is there a there

1855
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:23,699
there that's not really this show right

1856
01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:26,100
um and there are some people that you

1857
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:28,679
and I both know uh that you know kind of

1858
01:08:31,550 --> 01:08:30,299
have been frustrated by the whole thing

1859
01:08:33,050 --> 01:08:31,560
and backed out and said I'm not

1860
01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:33,060
convinced that there's any there there

1861
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:34,620
at all right

1862
01:08:38,990 --> 01:08:36,960
um I'll leave it up to the audience to

1863
01:08:42,110 --> 01:08:39,000
decide if that maybe is more motivated

1864
01:08:43,490 --> 01:08:42,120
by some people's personal issues and how

1865
01:08:47,030 --> 01:08:43,500
some of these very things I'm talking

1866
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:47,040
about desire and diversion play into how

1867
01:08:51,229 --> 01:08:49,259
they even enter into quote unquote

1868
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:51,239
community and deal with people and deal

1869
01:08:54,650 --> 01:08:52,560
with this issue

1870
01:08:57,050 --> 01:08:54,660
I think what we're saying is

1871
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,060
we're we're looking for something that

1872
01:09:02,090 --> 01:08:59,520
sort of transcends just this topic right

1873
01:09:04,130 --> 01:09:02,100
and I would also say to people

1874
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:04,140
I hope it doesn't you know

1875
01:09:07,610 --> 01:09:05,819
uh

1876
01:09:09,650 --> 01:09:07,620
and I hope people don't overlook this

1877
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:09,660
and that is that so you begin this

1878
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,279
journey with a sense of trying to figure

1879
01:09:16,630 --> 01:09:13,920
out who these others are and what

1880
01:09:19,370 --> 01:09:16,640
they're doing and my experience has been

1881
01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:19,380
they've met me halfway right and they've

1882
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:21,239
changed my perspective and I've gotten a

1883
01:09:24,769 --> 01:09:23,160
lot of the answers I wanted right and

1884
01:09:26,689 --> 01:09:24,779
whether like in your case it's sort of

1885
01:09:28,309 --> 01:09:26,699
like vicariously through the people that

1886
01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:28,319
are around you but how that also changes

1887
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,600
your view and we become part of this you

1888
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:32,400
know liminal frames as its own conscious

1889
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,500
agent and then you know not just us but

1890
01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:36,719
the people that are with us on this

1891
01:09:42,130 --> 01:09:38,580
conversation

1892
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:42,140
um you know in other words

1893
01:09:46,910 --> 01:09:45,120
interaction is already happening and and

1894
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:46,920
that's evident in these kinds of

1895
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:49,679
situations and if you think it can only

1896
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:52,080
happen you know by a shiny craft Landing

1897
01:09:56,270 --> 01:09:54,480
in your backyard and in Gray aliens

1898
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:56,280
coming in for tea and biscuits then I

1899
01:09:59,689 --> 01:09:57,719
think then you're maybe missing what's

1900
01:10:01,010 --> 01:09:59,699
been happening over the last year

1901
01:10:03,470 --> 01:10:01,020
hmm

1902
01:10:05,090 --> 01:10:03,480
so well said well you know a lot of this

1903
01:10:06,950 --> 01:10:05,100
is um

1904
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:06,960
you know wrapped up and needing to be

1905
01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:08,760
validated right so maybe we talk about

1906
01:10:13,370 --> 01:10:10,920
that just for a few minutes and and

1907
01:10:15,410 --> 01:10:13,380
different motivations right so

1908
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:15,420
from a nuts and bolts standpoint there's

1909
01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:18,080
a validation in

1910
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,760
knowing that there are some sort of

1911
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:22,560
secret government programs that have

1912
01:10:27,169 --> 01:10:25,080
been doing you know things without our

1913
01:10:29,209 --> 01:10:27,179
public awareness and we just want to put

1914
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,219
the spotlight on that and say haha you

1915
01:10:32,930 --> 01:10:31,679
know we knew it you know that all of

1916
01:10:35,090 --> 01:10:32,940
breadcrumbs that we've been looking at

1917
01:10:36,830 --> 01:10:35,100
like they were right and I'm validated

1918
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:36,840
and pointing that direction now now

1919
01:10:40,669 --> 01:10:38,760
conversely there are also those that

1920
01:10:43,250 --> 01:10:40,679
want to be validated in the opposite

1921
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,260
direction so there are those who spend a

1922
01:10:48,290 --> 01:10:45,600
lot of energy saying there's no there

1923
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:48,300
there this is just a bunch of Hui you

1924
01:10:51,709 --> 01:10:49,980
know you can ignore it all because it's

1925
01:10:54,290 --> 01:10:51,719
just you know big old psychological

1926
01:10:56,090 --> 01:10:54,300
operation and and they're looking for

1927
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:56,100
their own kind of validation you know

1928
01:11:00,649 --> 01:10:57,480
it's just a different a different

1929
01:11:02,270 --> 01:11:00,659
perspective on the experiencer side of

1930
01:11:04,010 --> 01:11:02,280
things you know the motivations are

1931
01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:04,020
similar too so you know I've had this

1932
01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:06,360
weird experience I don't know what to

1933
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:08,400
make of it you know I was in New York I

1934
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:10,159
heard Whitley Street were talking person

1935
01:11:15,950 --> 01:11:12,780
and you know sharing his very personal

1936
01:11:17,870 --> 01:11:15,960
story of his experience and you can tell

1937
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:17,880
how it's affected his entire life

1938
01:11:25,010 --> 01:11:22,320
uh and so in some ways you know the the

1939
01:11:26,990 --> 01:11:25,020
powers that be coming out and saying

1940
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:27,000
yeah you know this is real and these

1941
01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:28,800
beings that you ran into like you know

1942
01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:30,360
we've gotten one in the in in the

1943
01:11:34,970 --> 01:11:32,340
freezer over here you know like that

1944
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,980
would be validating in some way to the

1945
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:37,440
Whitley streamers of the world

1946
01:11:42,890 --> 01:11:39,540
um because they want to be taken

1947
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:42,900
seriously by their peers and to walk

1948
01:11:48,110 --> 01:11:45,060
amongst you know other human beings and

1949
01:11:50,330 --> 01:11:48,120
feel like you are alone you know to feel

1950
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,340
like no one will take you seriously that

1951
01:11:56,750 --> 01:11:53,120
you are a joke nobody wants to feel that

1952
01:11:58,850 --> 01:11:56,760
and uh you know interestingly enough

1953
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:58,860
we all carry that kind of feeling with

1954
01:12:02,750 --> 01:12:00,600
us whether we've had an experience like

1955
01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:02,760
that or not you know so we're always

1956
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:04,860
seeking validation in our interaction

1957
01:12:09,229 --> 01:12:06,840
and and I guess what I'm trying to say

1958
01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:09,239
here is like we're looking outside of

1959
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:10,620
ourselves with that kind of validation

1960
01:12:15,530 --> 01:12:13,440
we don't need it you know we we are

1961
01:12:16,970 --> 01:12:15,540
valid in enough in and of ourselves as

1962
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,980
being Who We Are

1963
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:18,960
and and I hope that people can kind of

1964
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:21,960
hear that and feel into that because uh

1965
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,480
as we've already touched on earlier in

1966
01:12:28,189 --> 01:12:26,159
the show and on other shows I mean

1967
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:28,199
getting what you what you want isn't

1968
01:12:32,090 --> 01:12:30,360
going to change isn't really going to

1969
01:12:34,130 --> 01:12:32,100
change you in the way that you think it

1970
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,140
will and and the power to change

1971
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:36,480
yourself and to feel validated is within

1972
01:12:41,330 --> 01:12:39,120
your reach right now

1973
01:12:43,790 --> 01:12:41,340
write it and and

1974
01:12:44,930 --> 01:12:43,800
um but but coming from a place that

1975
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:44,940
maybe you weren't expecting you know

1976
01:12:49,370 --> 01:12:47,520
like so for instance if you again create

1977
01:12:51,890 --> 01:12:49,380
differentiation and say I would rather

1978
01:12:53,630 --> 01:12:51,900
have this be the case than this the

1979
01:12:56,630 --> 01:12:53,640
second you set that up you create

1980
01:12:59,149 --> 01:12:56,640
potential suffering until you get there

1981
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:59,159
um and then even when you get that

1982
01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:01,679
pretty quickly you realize it's it's not

1983
01:13:07,010 --> 01:13:04,440
long-term solving the problem so I

1984
01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:07,020
really do believe that if say say you

1985
01:13:10,430 --> 01:13:08,520
know as I've said many times there are

1986
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:10,440
many different groups at different

1987
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:12,239
developmental levels but say if we even

1988
01:13:19,850 --> 01:13:15,480
had like a a mid-level

1989
01:13:21,290 --> 01:13:19,860
ET group who because I you know my

1990
01:13:22,850 --> 01:13:21,300
argument is that these these groups

1991
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:22,860
exist

1992
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,060
um

1993
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:26,880
and they are more technologically

1994
01:13:30,649 --> 01:13:29,040
advanced than us right so say if they

1995
01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:30,659
came here and they made sort of some

1996
01:13:35,149 --> 01:13:32,820
agreement for us with us for some sort

1997
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:35,159
of exchange of free energy in exchange

1998
01:13:38,209 --> 01:13:37,140
that they could take gold or something I

1999
01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:38,219
don't know some something like that

2000
01:13:42,290 --> 01:13:40,860
minerals something they want right

2001
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,300
um

2002
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,159
within about 10 or 20 years maybe less

2003
01:13:48,169 --> 01:13:46,080
maybe five years people kind of go oh

2004
01:13:50,149 --> 01:13:48,179
yeah there's the uh

2005
01:13:51,770 --> 01:13:50,159
the the ETS you know on one of their

2006
01:13:54,169 --> 01:13:51,780
mining runs and you know they're giving

2007
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:54,179
us like you know this this

2008
01:13:57,830 --> 01:13:55,920
um you know

2009
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:57,840
what would it be antimatter material

2010
01:14:01,669 --> 01:14:00,480
that we use to like run our massive wind

2011
01:14:03,770 --> 01:14:01,679
farms or something I don't know what it

2012
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:03,780
is right I mean but eventually that

2013
01:14:08,450 --> 01:14:06,600
would become normal and something else

2014
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:08,460
would be the pie and Sky thing that you

2015
01:14:10,970 --> 01:14:09,480
want next you know that our

2016
01:14:13,610 --> 01:14:10,980
grandchildren would want I mean really

2017
01:14:16,189 --> 01:14:13,620
would be like I want people to stop and

2018
01:14:19,070 --> 01:14:16,199
really think about

2019
01:14:21,050 --> 01:14:19,080
what would you get really if you got

2020
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:21,060
what you wanted what would you really

2021
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:22,860
get if you got what you wanted you know

2022
01:14:26,689 --> 01:14:24,600
but where would that really go and

2023
01:14:28,669 --> 01:14:26,699
really this is so much where meditation

2024
01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:28,679
comes into it because you

2025
01:14:33,530 --> 01:14:30,960
you sit down and you say what is this

2026
01:14:35,209 --> 01:14:33,540
you know be beyond what our society and

2027
01:14:39,709 --> 01:14:35,219
our physicalist culture tells us right

2028
01:14:41,570 --> 01:14:39,719
what is this what is life what am I am I

2029
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:41,580
am I this person that's of a certain

2030
01:14:44,990 --> 01:14:43,080
citizenship that was born in a certain

2031
01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:45,000
family in a certain part of the world in

2032
01:14:48,410 --> 01:14:46,860
a certain period of time

2033
01:14:50,030 --> 01:14:48,420
um but if that's the case am I really

2034
01:14:52,370 --> 01:14:50,040
the same person that I was 10 years ago

2035
01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:52,380
and is it only the fact that I can

2036
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:54,300
string together a series of events in a

2037
01:14:58,729 --> 01:14:56,760
calendar or in a journal that tells me

2038
01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:58,739
that I'm really that person I mean you

2039
01:15:02,330 --> 01:15:01,320
know this sense of I am-ness that stays

2040
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:02,340
with us

2041
01:15:08,450 --> 01:15:05,760
that's real but me being Darren and you

2042
01:15:10,370 --> 01:15:08,460
being Nathan uh is not so much real

2043
01:15:13,370 --> 01:15:10,380
that's more illusory and that's ever

2044
01:15:14,990 --> 01:15:13,380
shifting and we the the irony is we

2045
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:15,000
already have evidence for that you and I

2046
01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:16,320
have talked about many times on this

2047
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:18,840
show that former versions of ourselves

2048
01:15:22,610 --> 01:15:20,940
wouldn't be doing this right so in what

2049
01:15:24,229 --> 01:15:22,620
sense are we those same people right

2050
01:15:26,990 --> 01:15:24,239
other than that we can string together

2051
01:15:28,610 --> 01:15:27,000
this thing in a linear frame when we

2052
01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:28,620
know that time is not really what we

2053
01:15:32,209 --> 01:15:30,780
think it is either right so

2054
01:15:33,410 --> 01:15:32,219
kind of like what we're saying you know

2055
01:15:35,570 --> 01:15:33,420
before we went on the air we talked

2056
01:15:37,010 --> 01:15:35,580
about how

2057
01:15:39,229 --> 01:15:37,020
without

2058
01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:39,239
the government quote unquote saying it

2059
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:41,940
many many highly authoritative people

2060
01:15:45,350 --> 01:15:44,100
have come forward with deep knowledge

2061
01:15:47,689 --> 01:15:45,360
and have said everything you need to

2062
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:47,699
know right that really this is happening

2063
01:15:51,950 --> 01:15:49,560
we know it's been happening

2064
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:51,960
maybe you want your Uncle Bill or your

2065
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,960
Aunt Mary or your sister or your parents

2066
01:15:58,729 --> 01:15:56,640
to finally say okay we believe you now

2067
01:16:00,649 --> 01:15:58,739
because such and such congressperson

2068
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,659
said yes it's real

2069
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:03,120
but beyond that all the evidence is

2070
01:16:06,729 --> 01:16:04,440
already there

2071
01:16:09,229 --> 01:16:06,739
um and I'm saying in the same way

2072
01:16:10,970 --> 01:16:09,239
all the evidence to show you that the

2073
01:16:12,370 --> 01:16:10,980
things you think you want that make you

2074
01:16:15,110 --> 01:16:12,380
that you think will make you happy

2075
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:15,120
really won't and you already know it if

2076
01:16:19,130 --> 01:16:17,520
you really sit down and look at them and

2077
01:16:20,930 --> 01:16:19,140
do some deep introspective work and I

2078
01:16:22,729 --> 01:16:20,940
know some people hate the idea of being

2079
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,739
alone with their thoughts

2080
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,199
but you sometimes have to go through

2081
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:27,120
that suffering it's a kind of suffering

2082
01:16:31,370 --> 01:16:29,520
because of habit once you can get

2083
01:16:34,130 --> 01:16:31,380
breakthrough that and that that will

2084
01:16:35,810 --> 01:16:34,140
eventually clear then suddenly for the

2085
01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:35,820
first time in your life you can see this

2086
01:16:40,430 --> 01:16:38,159
connection to non-dual source and you

2087
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:40,440
can realize that

2088
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:42,480
the only person that really puts you on

2089
01:16:46,729 --> 01:16:44,340
this puts you in this maze that you're

2090
01:16:48,110 --> 01:16:46,739
running around in was yourself and you

2091
01:16:50,450 --> 01:16:48,120
have all the power in the world to exit

2092
01:16:52,430 --> 01:16:50,460
that maze whenever you want to and no

2093
01:16:55,250 --> 01:16:52,440
government can make you do it or it can

2094
01:16:58,490 --> 01:16:55,260
stop you from doing it

2095
01:17:00,890 --> 01:16:58,500
yeah I mean don't don't let this be an

2096
01:17:04,130 --> 01:17:00,900
obstacle right and this has kind of been

2097
01:17:07,850 --> 01:17:04,140
maybe this is the episode where you know

2098
01:17:11,149 --> 01:17:07,860
Nathan has gotten super spiritual but uh

2099
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:11,159
you know don't don't let this interest

2100
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,040
be an obstacle for you

2101
01:17:18,229 --> 01:17:16,800
to grow in the ways that you need to

2102
01:17:20,510 --> 01:17:18,239
grow to be present to the people you

2103
01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:20,520
need to be present to you know I can

2104
01:17:25,070 --> 01:17:22,199
think of a lot of folks who are so

2105
01:17:27,770 --> 01:17:25,080
fixated on needing

2106
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:27,780
so and so public official to say you

2107
01:17:31,790 --> 01:17:29,040
know X

2108
01:17:33,649 --> 01:17:31,800
that when they're with people that they

2109
01:17:35,270 --> 01:17:33,659
care about you know that they can't even

2110
01:17:37,970 --> 01:17:35,280
focus on them because they're just fixed

2111
01:17:39,770 --> 01:17:37,980
status on you know when is Chris Mellon

2112
01:17:42,169 --> 01:17:39,780
going to say you know whatever you know

2113
01:17:44,689 --> 01:17:42,179
like it so just think about that for a

2114
01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:44,699
second you know think about that and

2115
01:17:50,450 --> 01:17:48,540
think about you know our ancestors uh

2116
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:50,460
you know your your family you know those

2117
01:17:53,870 --> 01:17:52,320
who've come before you you know who who

2118
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:53,880
aren't where we are now and we can't

2119
01:17:56,510 --> 01:17:55,199
continue to think of ourselves as like

2120
01:17:58,430 --> 01:17:56,520
oh man we're at this cool time in

2121
01:17:59,689 --> 01:17:58,440
history and you know what a time to be

2122
01:18:03,229 --> 01:17:59,699
alive we're about to get these amazing

2123
01:18:05,229 --> 01:18:03,239
secrets and I mean what if we don't you

2124
01:18:07,729 --> 01:18:05,239
know so so

2125
01:18:10,250 --> 01:18:07,739
don't put all of your eggs in that

2126
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:10,260
basket because it's really not you know

2127
01:18:14,810 --> 01:18:13,440
it's it's not the right fixation

2128
01:18:17,090 --> 01:18:14,820
um you know I think you want to get to

2129
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:17,100
the point in your life where if your

2130
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:20,640
life were you know to end the next day

2131
01:18:24,110 --> 01:18:23,040
that you know you live the life that you

2132
01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:24,120
want to live that you've thought about

2133
01:18:27,649 --> 01:18:25,560
the things you need to think about that

2134
01:18:29,689 --> 01:18:27,659
you've given of yourself to the people

2135
01:18:31,910 --> 01:18:29,699
that you care about

2136
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:31,920
um and I think you know for many people

2137
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:34,320
and I understand look I get it I mean if

2138
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:36,000
you've been impacted by this in a way

2139
01:18:41,209 --> 01:18:39,360
that has upended your life and has made

2140
01:18:44,169 --> 01:18:41,219
it difficult for you to maybe integrate

2141
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:44,179
into society I get it

2142
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:48,000
but at the same time you know I think

2143
01:18:53,390 --> 01:18:51,840
don't don't dwell on that just as people

2144
01:18:56,030 --> 01:18:53,400
who who've never had that experience

2145
01:18:57,530 --> 01:18:56,040
will dwell on you know getting that car

2146
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:57,540
that they want or that big house that

2147
01:19:01,010 --> 01:18:59,580
they want you know don't dwell on that

2148
01:19:03,229 --> 01:19:01,020
because that that's not going to really

2149
01:19:06,610 --> 01:19:03,239
bring you the satisfaction that that you

2150
01:19:11,390 --> 01:19:09,830
yeah so true and I think that uh you

2151
01:19:12,590 --> 01:19:11,400
know just to highlight this one more

2152
01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:12,600
time I think what we're saying to people

2153
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:14,460
is

2154
01:19:23,090 --> 01:19:20,640
shiny object that prevents you from

2155
01:19:25,550 --> 01:19:23,100
uh moving towards the Fulfillment that's

2156
01:19:28,970 --> 01:19:25,560
already available to you right now

2157
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:28,980
um and I think for me you know when I

2158
01:19:34,430 --> 01:19:31,199
think about what I'm excited about with

2159
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:36,110
so let me just reflect for a second here

2160
01:19:39,290 --> 01:19:37,620
because on the one hand sometimes I'll

2161
01:19:41,090 --> 01:19:39,300
talk about my experiences and I'll have

2162
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:41,100
some people who maybe are not

2163
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:43,199
experiencers and and are maybe coming

2164
01:19:45,410 --> 01:19:44,340
from more of a nuts and bolts

2165
01:19:47,570 --> 01:19:45,420
perspective and they'll just say things

2166
01:19:49,070 --> 01:19:47,580
like you know how hard that is to

2167
01:19:51,709 --> 01:19:49,080
believe you know they'll say things like

2168
01:19:54,050 --> 01:19:51,719
that right and I can't help that right

2169
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:54,060
like I can't

2170
01:19:58,970 --> 01:19:56,580
um I think more and more there are

2171
01:20:01,310 --> 01:19:58,980
experiencers who are saying amongst

2172
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:01,320
ourselves that it almost sometimes feels

2173
01:20:03,830 --> 01:20:02,880
like we're in a different timeline or a

2174
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,840
different we're definitely in a

2175
01:20:08,030 --> 01:20:05,760
different perception of reality than

2176
01:20:09,590 --> 01:20:08,040
other people and and one of the first

2177
01:20:11,870 --> 01:20:09,600
things I think that people need to let

2178
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:11,880
go of is this idea that if it's really

2179
01:20:15,169 --> 01:20:13,860
real then everybody should be

2180
01:20:16,850 --> 01:20:15,179
experiencing it or seeing or whatever

2181
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,860
like that's just not true number one

2182
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:19,440
that um part of my background in

2183
01:20:24,169 --> 01:20:22,080
integral integral Theory makes that very

2184
01:20:25,430 --> 01:20:24,179
clear that as you progress through these

2185
01:20:27,410 --> 01:20:25,440
different World Views these different

2186
01:20:29,390 --> 01:20:27,420
levels of consciousness

2187
01:20:31,130 --> 01:20:29,400
it's not just that you see the world

2188
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:31,140
differently but the world you see is

2189
01:20:35,689 --> 01:20:31,920
different

2190
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,699
right and and that also happens when you

2191
01:20:40,669 --> 01:20:37,920
experience contact with these others

2192
01:20:42,050 --> 01:20:40,679
and for me uh speaking of what

2193
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:42,060
disclosure means for different people I

2194
01:20:44,090 --> 01:20:43,199
just want to make it really clear to

2195
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:44,100
people

2196
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:46,620
I I don't

2197
01:20:51,950 --> 01:20:48,960
um it's not this big Shangri-La moment

2198
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:51,960
for me anymore uh when when disclosure

2199
01:20:57,169 --> 01:20:54,719
happens publicly number one because I

2200
01:20:59,450 --> 01:20:57,179
unlike some people and I definitely feel

2201
01:21:02,209 --> 01:20:59,460
for them but I never had

2202
01:21:03,770 --> 01:21:02,219
um stigma applied to me I never had

2203
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,780
family members you know think I was

2204
01:21:06,169 --> 01:21:05,280
crazy

2205
01:21:07,729 --> 01:21:06,179
um

2206
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:07,739
you know I never had that kind of thing

2207
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,560
happen I never had co-workers or

2208
01:21:14,270 --> 01:21:12,719
fellow military personnel you know

2209
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,280
suggest that maybe I'd gone off my

2210
01:21:18,290 --> 01:21:16,560
rocker kind of thing so I understand how

2211
01:21:21,410 --> 01:21:18,300
how all of that is real and and you kind

2212
01:21:23,709 --> 01:21:21,420
of want Vindication I get that

2213
01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:23,719
um but I'm saying for me personally

2214
01:21:30,830 --> 01:21:27,960
these uh experiences I have

2215
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:30,840
I can't really imagine anything more

2216
01:21:34,189 --> 01:21:31,679
um

2217
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:34,199
more enlightening and more impacting I

2218
01:21:37,310 --> 01:21:35,760
mean I would like other people to also

2219
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:37,320
experience it you know

2220
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:40,920
um but but I I you know Joe Biden

2221
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:42,000
announcing it from the White House law

2222
01:21:45,470 --> 01:21:43,199
and tomorrow wouldn't change anything

2223
01:21:46,570 --> 01:21:45,480
for me you know it you know it might be

2224
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:46,580
interesting to see what kind of

2225
01:21:50,030 --> 01:21:48,960
sociological waves that sets off but it

2226
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,040
does it's not going to change my

2227
01:21:54,050 --> 01:21:52,560
experience and and what I get excited

2228
01:21:55,490 --> 01:21:54,060
about is

2229
01:21:57,050 --> 01:21:55,500
you know when I talk about like

2230
01:21:58,990 --> 01:21:57,060
eventually building a retreat center and

2231
01:22:01,490 --> 01:21:59,000
having people come out and do these

2232
01:22:03,709 --> 01:22:01,500
week-long things or weekend long things

2233
01:22:06,530 --> 01:22:03,719
or whatever I'm talking about the stuff

2234
01:22:08,510 --> 01:22:06,540
we talked about tonight like how to get

2235
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:08,520
in touch with this non-dual source that

2236
01:22:12,290 --> 01:22:09,840
some of these others that I've been in

2237
01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:12,300
contact with live in regularly like

2238
01:22:15,290 --> 01:22:14,340
that's just their state of being you

2239
01:22:16,189 --> 01:22:15,300
know

2240
01:22:18,830 --> 01:22:16,199
um

2241
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:18,840
I think of you know my friend yossi

2242
01:22:22,850 --> 01:22:20,880
Ronan you know in his book one he had

2243
01:22:25,130 --> 01:22:22,860
the same experience that when he

2244
01:22:29,330 --> 01:22:25,140
initially encountered these beings he

2245
01:22:31,010 --> 01:22:29,340
was rocked by how there was no

2246
01:22:34,250 --> 01:22:31,020
um there was just total transparency

2247
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:34,260
right every secret every you know dark

2248
01:22:38,270 --> 01:22:36,600
place in him was available for them to

2249
01:22:41,570 --> 01:22:38,280
see and and vice versa right there was

2250
01:22:43,610 --> 01:22:41,580
just this total openness and they almost

2251
01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:43,620
seemed like innocently

2252
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:45,780
um shocked by how it wasn't that way for

2253
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:49,199
him right so it's it's hard for us I

2254
01:22:53,209 --> 01:22:50,460
think in this

2255
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:53,219
iteration to realize just what an

2256
01:22:57,229 --> 01:22:55,140
aberration this is in some ways to some

2257
01:22:59,930 --> 01:22:57,239
of the experience of the others they to

2258
01:23:02,090 --> 01:22:59,940
us we think this is just normal and and

2259
01:23:03,649 --> 01:23:02,100
people will make these comments about oh

2260
01:23:04,850 --> 01:23:03,659
that sounds like like the Borg or

2261
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:04,860
something you know like what's up with

2262
01:23:08,209 --> 01:23:06,480
this Collective conscious Consciousness

2263
01:23:09,709 --> 01:23:08,219
thing and I'm like no it's not that way

2264
01:23:10,430 --> 01:23:09,719
at all and

2265
01:23:14,030 --> 01:23:10,440
um

2266
01:23:17,930 --> 01:23:16,910
yeah I won't get into it again because I

2267
01:23:19,310 --> 01:23:17,940
could describe it again but really

2268
01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:19,320
people have to experience it but all it

2269
01:23:25,729 --> 01:23:22,199
is to say that's what excites me is is

2270
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,739
not like setting up a helicopter pad at

2271
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:27,360
this Retreat Center so that the beings

2272
01:23:30,490 --> 01:23:28,980
could come down in the craft every

2273
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:30,500
Sunday kind of thing

2274
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:33,120
but more that it would be human beings

2275
01:23:37,550 --> 01:23:35,760
coming together and

2276
01:23:39,530 --> 01:23:37,560
developing a series of practices

2277
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,540
together and thinking about how to do

2278
01:23:44,630 --> 01:23:41,760
Humanity differently how to do community

2279
01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:44,640
differently in every facet of Our Lives

2280
01:23:49,130 --> 01:23:46,860
that we really begin to integrate these

2281
01:23:51,950 --> 01:23:49,140
things which is what I feel inspired by

2282
01:23:54,890 --> 01:23:51,960
these others to do and inspired by and

2283
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:54,900
this is the key again a non-duality from

2284
01:23:58,010 --> 01:23:56,640
my deepest Source that's what I want too

2285
01:23:59,450 --> 01:23:58,020
and what they want and what I want is

2286
01:24:02,450 --> 01:23:59,460
the same thing because ultimately we're

2287
01:24:04,729 --> 01:24:02,460
the same thing so that's where I want to

2288
01:24:06,169 --> 01:24:04,739
go and Nothing Stops me from doing that

2289
01:24:08,030 --> 01:24:06,179
already tomorrow you know there's

2290
01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:08,040
nothing I need to wait on from any kind

2291
01:24:10,930 --> 01:24:10,020
of public disclosure for that to take

2292
01:24:13,370 --> 01:24:10,940
place

2293
01:24:15,770 --> 01:24:13,380
yeah I was about to say I mean this is

2294
01:24:18,890 --> 01:24:15,780
It's relational and that's what

2295
01:24:20,810 --> 01:24:18,900
Consciousness wants it's relationship uh

2296
01:24:22,669 --> 01:24:20,820
you know so it

2297
01:24:25,790 --> 01:24:22,679
it's this

2298
01:24:28,610 --> 01:24:25,800
mining the depths of experience and and

2299
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,620
how better to do that than to engage

2300
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:30,719
with other intelligences and and

2301
01:24:36,050 --> 01:24:33,840
recognize and that expression

2302
01:24:38,630 --> 01:24:36,060
a part of Who You Are

2303
01:24:40,910 --> 01:24:38,640
uh you know that that you that you

2304
01:24:43,430 --> 01:24:40,920
aren't present to

2305
01:24:45,649 --> 01:24:43,440
but you can be right I mean it's this

2306
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:45,659
this beauty of interaction

2307
01:24:51,229 --> 01:24:48,540
and uh you know so that

2308
01:24:54,169 --> 01:24:51,239
I I celebrate that that impulse that

2309
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:54,179
that you have I and I know you know for

2310
01:24:58,910 --> 01:24:56,400
a lot of folks that some of what we

2311
01:25:00,890 --> 01:24:58,920
talked about tonight is very

2312
01:25:03,050 --> 01:25:00,900
um

2313
01:25:04,910 --> 01:25:03,060
it may come with a lot of baggage you

2314
01:25:06,770 --> 01:25:04,920
know I get that you know I've I've got

2315
01:25:08,689 --> 01:25:06,780
the same baggage you know I've got I've

2316
01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:08,699
got the whole luggage set in the closet

2317
01:25:12,169 --> 01:25:10,560
and I know what it looks like you know I

2318
01:25:14,209 --> 01:25:12,179
really do

2319
01:25:16,850 --> 01:25:14,219
um and and I would say too you know I I

2320
01:25:19,189 --> 01:25:16,860
don't know exactly what it looks like or

2321
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:19,199
you know I'm not perfect at living it

2322
01:25:24,169 --> 01:25:22,080
out or practicing it or whatnot but you

2323
01:25:27,709 --> 01:25:24,179
know what where I feel like I find it

2324
01:25:30,169 --> 01:25:27,719
though is when I lean into

2325
01:25:32,510 --> 01:25:30,179
into into my own experience and lean

2326
01:25:33,950 --> 01:25:32,520
into the to those that I that I interact

2327
01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:33,960
with you know where I really try to be

2328
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:37,380
present to to others and into into life

2329
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,880
itself

2330
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:40,320
um as opposed to kind of checking out

2331
01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:44,159
into you know the the all of the things

2332
01:25:49,790 --> 01:25:46,560
you know kind of just fixating onto the

2333
01:25:52,669 --> 01:25:49,800
things and and confusing the things for

2334
01:25:57,050 --> 01:25:55,610
um so anyway I hope that folks are kind

2335
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:57,060
of uh

2336
01:26:00,770 --> 01:25:59,040
I hope that people kind of feel into

2337
01:26:03,649 --> 01:26:00,780
that and are kind of hearing that from

2338
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:03,659
us and I know it's tough and uh and

2339
01:26:07,850 --> 01:26:05,280
maybe we'll come back to some topics in

2340
01:26:09,950 --> 01:26:07,860
in future episodes where that are a

2341
01:26:12,110 --> 01:26:09,960
little bit easier for some folks to uh

2342
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:12,120
to connect to but

2343
01:26:15,950 --> 01:26:14,159
um this was this was a personal one for

2344
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:15,960
me tonight

2345
01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:18,719
yeah for me too I think that um you know

2346
01:26:23,030 --> 01:26:21,420
we we want this show to be

2347
01:26:24,770 --> 01:26:23,040
uh something that lots of people can

2348
01:26:27,649 --> 01:26:24,780
relate to that are in different seasons

2349
01:26:29,090 --> 01:26:27,659
of life and uh on different

2350
01:26:32,450 --> 01:26:29,100
um you know levels of the Consciousness

2351
01:26:34,729 --> 01:26:32,460
spiral but at the same time like we said

2352
01:26:36,530 --> 01:26:34,739
earlier we have to live into wherever we

2353
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:36,540
really are right and so does everyone

2354
01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:38,880
else that's listening right now and for

2355
01:26:44,689 --> 01:26:41,580
us this this is what being genuine looks

2356
01:26:46,970 --> 01:26:44,699
like is is being honest about

2357
01:26:49,070 --> 01:26:46,980
um how the importance of the public

2358
01:26:50,510 --> 01:26:49,080
disclosure piece has shifted for us over

2359
01:26:52,790 --> 01:26:50,520
time

2360
01:26:55,129 --> 01:26:52,800
um and it's not because we become jaded

2361
01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:55,139
or cynical at all it's actually the very

2362
01:26:59,870 --> 01:26:57,060
opposite I think

2363
01:27:01,490 --> 01:26:59,880
um and I would just encourage others to

2364
01:27:03,250 --> 01:27:01,500
do the same thing to figure out where

2365
01:27:05,930 --> 01:27:03,260
you are live in fully to where you are

2366
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,940
don't apologize for it you're not going

2367
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,679
to offend

2368
01:27:11,930 --> 01:27:09,600
you know some external God figure or

2369
01:27:14,140 --> 01:27:11,940
some external E.T or interdimensional

2370
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:14,150
intelligence by whatever you choose

2371
01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:14,520
[Music]

2372
01:27:18,169 --> 01:27:15,480
um

2373
01:27:20,270 --> 01:27:18,179
that you know part of what we're doing

2374
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:20,280
is in a kind of play school kind of way

2375
01:27:24,110 --> 01:27:22,560
is as fractal

2376
01:27:24,890 --> 01:27:24,120
um holographic

2377
01:27:27,410 --> 01:27:24,900
um

2378
01:27:29,090 --> 01:27:27,420
facets of the one Cosmic intelligence is

2379
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:29,100
to live

2380
01:27:33,229 --> 01:27:31,199
with free will you know to be able to

2381
01:27:35,450 --> 01:27:33,239
make decisions based on what we want to

2382
01:27:36,649 --> 01:27:35,460
do and then we learn like I said we

2383
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:36,659
either win or we learn in terms of

2384
01:27:40,550 --> 01:27:38,159
decisions we make and the consequences

2385
01:27:43,010 --> 01:27:40,560
we experience and then we keep spiraling

2386
01:27:44,990 --> 01:27:43,020
up we keep you know that process can't

2387
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:45,000
help but work that's that's why it's

2388
01:27:48,649 --> 01:27:46,320
such a

2389
01:27:51,169 --> 01:27:48,659
a cosmic Norm because it just tends to

2390
01:27:53,629 --> 01:27:51,179
work we have total free will to act like

2391
01:27:55,610 --> 01:27:53,639
little Gods experience the consequences

2392
01:27:58,370 --> 01:27:55,620
of our actions make adjustments because

2393
01:28:00,110 --> 01:27:58,380
of that for our own good and to make

2394
01:28:02,209 --> 01:28:00,120
ourselves happy and then along the

2395
01:28:03,649 --> 01:28:02,219
journey we begin to realize that what

2396
01:28:05,090 --> 01:28:03,659
makes us happy is what makes other

2397
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:05,100
people happy and then the whole thing

2398
01:28:10,129 --> 01:28:08,159
spirals up into this sort of cosmic

2399
01:28:11,390 --> 01:28:10,139
sensuality where where everything works

2400
01:28:13,550 --> 01:28:11,400
for the greater good

2401
01:28:15,310 --> 01:28:13,560
hmm yeah if that's not a spiritual

2402
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:15,320
message to end on I don't know what is

2403
01:28:21,709 --> 01:28:18,960
exactly well look uh you know I hope we

2404
01:28:24,410 --> 01:28:21,719
get this uh legislation signed I hope we

2405
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:24,420
get the Whistleblower protections you

2406
01:28:29,209 --> 01:28:26,400
know I'd love to see the uaptf report

2407
01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:29,219
you know I want those things too

2408
01:28:36,649 --> 01:28:33,780
um and uh I think for me the

2409
01:28:39,709 --> 01:28:36,659
the salience of those things

2410
01:28:43,129 --> 01:28:39,719
at least I hope is that it it presents

2411
01:28:46,010 --> 01:28:43,139
an invitation to take this journey

2412
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:46,020
and that invitation is is received by

2413
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:47,040
more people

2414
01:28:52,610 --> 01:28:50,159
right so you know I I have taken the

2415
01:28:54,770 --> 01:28:52,620
leap of looking at the facts and looking

2416
01:28:58,129 --> 01:28:54,780
at the statements looking at the history

2417
01:29:00,290 --> 01:28:58,139
and and believing and I think you know

2418
01:29:02,510 --> 01:29:00,300
maybe and I could be wrong but believing

2419
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:02,520
that there is something there

2420
01:29:07,669 --> 01:29:04,800
and and the belief and there is

2421
01:29:09,470 --> 01:29:07,679
something there in those things and the

2422
01:29:12,169 --> 01:29:09,480
people who I interact with who tell me

2423
01:29:15,169 --> 01:29:12,179
of what they've experienced

2424
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,179
that has changed me so I have answered

2425
01:29:18,530 --> 01:29:17,760
that invitation and it has changed who I

2426
01:29:21,010 --> 01:29:18,540
am

2427
01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:21,020
and I only can hope that

2428
01:29:27,169 --> 01:29:24,600
disclosure on a public scale will do the

2429
01:29:28,910 --> 01:29:27,179
same because you know not because I I

2430
01:29:31,189 --> 01:29:28,920
you know oh it's going to be some great

2431
01:29:34,010 --> 01:29:31,199
you know techno Utopia but because I I

2432
01:29:36,050 --> 01:29:34,020
really believe that it creates an

2433
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:36,060
opportunity for us

2434
01:29:39,470 --> 01:29:38,159
to be better than where we are right now

2435
01:29:42,530 --> 01:29:39,480
as a people

2436
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:42,540
and and I'd like to believe that

2437
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:44,880
Consciousness cares about that that it

2438
01:29:49,729 --> 01:29:47,280
wants to see that happen as opposed to

2439
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:49,739
the alternative which would be you know

2440
01:29:56,330 --> 01:29:53,520
the death of our entire civilization

2441
01:29:58,490 --> 01:29:56,340
indeed well said

2442
01:30:00,910 --> 01:29:58,500
we'll leave it at that uh thank you

2443
01:30:04,729 --> 01:30:00,920
everyone for joining us on this journey

2444
01:30:07,370 --> 01:30:04,739
and uh we'll see you again soon

2445
01:30:09,890 --> 01:30:07,380
May the quality of our questions shaped

2446
01:30:12,410 --> 01:30:09,900
by a desire of for understanding enhance

2447
01:30:14,330 --> 01:30:12,420
our journey of Discovery and may our

2448
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:14,340
travels broaden the sphere of our

2449
01:30:21,010 --> 01:30:17,040
Consciousness reminding us that new

2450
01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:21,020
discoveries beget New Horizons as always

2451
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:24,120
Adventure awaits we'll see you next time

2452
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:31,290
[Music]

2453
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:32,970
[Laughter]